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[bud]

"Mercedes accepts the proportionate penalties of a reprimand and suspension from the forthcoming young driver test that have been decided upon by the Tribunal.

From Mercedes themselves.

[Hammer278]

"Mercedes accepts the proportionate penalties of a reprimand and suspension from the forthcoming young driver test that have been decided upon by the Tribunal.

From Mercedes themselves.

Yeah tht was before all the changes to the "YDT" and now it's no longer a YDT is it? No young drivers, an additional day, developments testing. The definition of this test has changed substantially.

[bud]

Just pointing out the key word - penalty.

[1Lemon]

"Mercedes accepts the proportionate penalties of a reprimand and suspension from the forthcoming young driver test that have been decided upon by the Tribunal.

From Mercedes themselves.

Yeah tht was before all the changes to the "YDT" and now it's no longer a YDT is it? No young drivers, an additional day, developments testing. The definition of this test has changed substantially.

So has, apparently, the definition of 'No in season testing.'

[What's Burning?]

it's time to let go boys.

[1Lemon]

it's time to let go boys.

[Hammer278]

it's time to let go boys.

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[CookinFlat6]

Just pointing out the key word - penalty.

so what? penalties are what are handed out for breaking the rules within the general sporting rules and context

Still not the same as 'punishment' which is what those who still dont understand the proceedings and outcome of the tribunal cling to

punishment in this case = Merc Cheated therefore should be punished, i.e bad

penalty in this case = Merc broke the rules by mistake, unwittingly, by accident, unknowingly etc etc, i.e a penalty to EVEN things up regarding sporting fairness to the other competitors

Lets make it easier for all to get once and for all;

Football - cheating, = knowingly fouling someone or purposely handling the ball = punishment = red card = transgressor is DISADVANTAGED as punishment
Football - gaming rule breach = foul someone without intent, handling the ball by mistake = penalty, free kick, etc = transgressors opponent gets something to EVEN things up

So anyone till maintaining that Merc should be disadvantaged for cheating instead of merely having their mistake advantage levelled, find it easy to cling to this YDT. When it was YDT it was a penalty, it evened things up. Now its more than YDT, it becaomes a PUNISHMENT, with sheep like fans jumping on RBR/Ferraris sly attempt to nobble a competitor

This has to be the mother of all circular and pointless discussions ever when people are still arguing without understanding the difference between what the situation is according to the law and what they would wish it to be

and what about the Lotus illegal suspension? I guess Hamilton doesnt drive for them

[racechick]

yep, that^

[vaptin]

One could argue it is still suitable, the teams just get to test their race drivers in response to the tyre safety problem, under restricted conditions, which will benefit Mercedes through the data and insight that gets back to Pirelli and not really advantage any teams,

Or we can play the Hamilton victimisation game.

[racechick]

One could argue it is still suitable, the teams just get to test their race drivers in response to the tyre safety problem, under restricted conditions, which will benefit Mercedes through the data and insight that gets back to Pirelli and not really advantage any teams,

Or we can play the Hamilton victimisation game.

And Rosberg, he drives for Mercedes too. And no one is testing a Mercedes car in these tyres, so no one will know if that car is safe

[vaptin]

One could argue it is still suitable, the teams just get to test their race drivers in response to the tyre safety problem, under restricted conditions, which will benefit Mercedes through the data and insight that gets back to Pirelli and not really advantage any teams,

Or we can play the Hamilton victimisation game.

And Rosberg, he drives for Mercedes too. And no one is testing a Mercedes car in these tyres, so no one will know if that car is safe

But loads of other cars will test, the chances of Mercedes being some odd car, with the restrictions from the FIA in car design (especially the extra tyre regulations now) are very low.

I was referring to Cooking's implication, that this was linked to Hamilton driving for Mercedes (their penalty/ punishment whatever you want to call it).

Also, they ran at the German GP without any extra testing, so it's not such a big deal for safety, I guess this is more to just get things right with the way the tyres work, like so they react in the way Pirelli expect them to react, I guess for safety, Pirelli can just go ultra cautious with the tyres, but then they won't have the degradation patterns they and the FIA are aiming for.

Actually, I think this is really just about appeasement, and showing the FIA is willing to take action and respond in the face of problems, the key word is showing, not effectiveness, so its a PR exercise I think, mainly.

[CookinFlat6]

One could argue it is still suitable, the teams just get to test their race drivers in response to the tyre safety problem, under restricted conditions, which will benefit Mercedes through the data and insight that gets back to Pirelli and not really advantage any teams,

Or we can play the Hamilton victimisation game.

Ok the Hamilton victim one was in response to those who are so keen to justify a punishment because in their opinion ' Merc cheated etc, and lets ignore the safety aspect or the likelyhood Merc didnt gain anything bigger than YDT, no they cheated so they must be punished, and its their tough luck the punishment turns out harsher than planned - justice has been done etc etc'

Yet they dont have a thing to say about a team actually cynically breaking the rules, and thats ok because Lotus didnt gain much, they are not the fastest team etc

Also Vap, for you to say

the teams just get to test their race drivers in response to the tyre safety problem

as if that doesnt disadvantage Nico and Lewis because Pirelli will provide the results data anyway is highly ironic because you have just basically said there is no point using racing drivers, the young drivers could similarly do the test and Pirelli provide the team with the results that the senior drivers (and Nico and Lewis) can then look at whislt having a coffee

[vaptin]

One could argue it is still suitable, the teams just get to test their race drivers in response to the tyre safety problem, under restricted conditions, which will benefit Mercedes through the data and insight that gets back to Pirelli and not really advantage any teams,

Or we can play the Hamilton victimisation game.

Ok the Hamilton victim one was in response to those who are so keen to justify a punishment because in their opinion ' Merc cheated etc, and lets ignore the safety aspect or the likelyhood Merc didnt gain anything bigger than YDT, no they cheated so they must be punished, and its their tough luck the punishment turns out harsher than planned - justice has been done etc etc'

Yet they dont have a thing to say about a team actually cynically breaking the rules, and thats ok because Lotus didnt gain much, they are not the fastest team etc

Also Vap, for you to say

the teams just get to test their race drivers in response to the tyre safety problem

as if that doesnt disadvantage Nico and Lewis because Pirelli will provide the results data anyway is highly ironic because you have just basically said there is no point using racing drivers, the young drivers could similarly do the test and Pirelli provide the team with the results that the senior drivers (and Nico and Lewis) can then look at whislt having a coffee

No, the data will also be from feedback, which will be qualitative and not just quantitative, which race drivers will be in a much better position to give to Pirelli than young drivers.
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Go start a thread on Lotus then, look at the title for this thread.

[CookinFlat6]

Even the drivers including Alonso said there was absolutely no point him turning up just to test tyres, thats why it appears as though the race drivers can now test parts, which is why Merc took a stand