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[1Lemon]

I think it's a little harsh, the fine on RBR. If that wheel didn't hit anyone they would have been fined the normal amount (Which is far less if I remember correctly) it's not their fault where that tyre went, pitlanes in races are inherently dangerous.

It is their fault the car was released though.

Yes, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they should be fined, but the usual amount, it's not their fault what the tyre did once it was released.

[vaptin]

I think it's a little harsh, the fine on RBR. If that wheel didn't hit anyone they would have been fined the normal amount (Which is far less if I remember correctly) it's not their fault where that tyre went, pitlanes in races are inherently dangerous.

It is their fault the car was released though.

Yes, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they should be fined, but the usual amount, it's not their fault what the tyre did once it was released.

What is the usual amount? I mean, I guess the fine is a combination of an unsafe release, and failing to secure the tyre or something.

I agree, it should be around the usual amount.

[LRW]

I think it's a little harsh, the fine on RBR. If that wheel didn't hit anyone they would have been fined the normal amount (Which is far less if I remember correctly) it's not their fault where that tyre went, pitlanes in races are inherently dangerous.

It is their fault the car was released though.

Yes, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they should be fined, but the usual amount, it's not their fault what the tyre did once it was released.

What is the usual amount? I mean, I guess the fine is a combination of an unsafe release, and failing to secure the tyre or something.

I agree, it should be around the usual amount.

Sunday 1st August 2010 - Mercedes GP fined $50,000 (£32,000) for the unsafe release of Nico Rosberg during his pitstop on lap 16 of the Hungarian GP.

And that's just an unsafe release.

[andrew]

I think it's a little harsh, the fine on RBR. If that wheel didn't hit anyone they would have been fined the normal amount (Which is far less if I remember correctly) it's not their fault where that tyre went, pitlanes in races are inherently dangerous.

It is their fault the car was released though.

Yes, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they should be fined, but the usual amount, it's not their fault what the tyre did once it was released.

What is the usual amount? I mean, I guess the fine is a combination of an unsafe release, and failing to secure the tyre or something.

I agree, it should be around the usual amount.

2013 Malaysian GP - Torro Rosso fined €10,000 (£8,530) for a collision between Vergne and Pic after an unsafe release by Torro Rosso.

[vaptin]

I think it's a little harsh, the fine on RBR. If that wheel didn't hit anyone they would have been fined the normal amount (Which is far less if I remember correctly) it's not their fault where that tyre went, pitlanes in races are inherently dangerous.

It is their fault the car was released though.

Yes, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they should be fined, but the usual amount, it's not their fault what the tyre did once it was released.

What is the usual amount? I mean, I guess the fine is a combination of an unsafe release, and failing to secure the tyre or something.

I agree, it should be around the usual amount.

2013 Malaysian GP - Torro Rosso fined €10,000 (£8,530) for a collision between Vergne and Pic after an unsafe release by Torro Rosso.

Hmm, but that's only part of it, I mean this time the car was released when not mechanically secure.

[andrew]

I think it's a little harsh, the fine on RBR. If that wheel didn't hit anyone they would have been fined the normal amount (Which is far less if I remember correctly) it's not their fault where that tyre went, pitlanes in races are inherently dangerous.

It is their fault the car was released though.

Yes, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they should be fined, but the usual amount, it's not their fault what the tyre did once it was released.

What is the usual amount? I mean, I guess the fine is a combination of an unsafe release, and failing to secure the tyre or something.

I agree, it should be around the usual amount.

2013 Malaysian GP - Torro Rosso fined €10,000 (£8,530) for a collision between Vergne and Pic after an unsafe release by Torro Rosso.

Hmm, but that's only part of it, I mean this time the car was released when not mechanically secure.

Caterham were fined the same amount at the Spanish GP after van der Garde's rear left went in a different direction from the rest of the car at turn 10.

[CookinFlat6]

Its the FIA's fault ultimately for not making cameramen in the pitlane wear full protective gear. If they change anything now to make it safer then RBR could feel they got a bigger fine than normal just for a cameraman 'getting in the way' of a loose tyre. Thankfully the guy is alright anyway

Typical type of farce that is F1 nowadays, the whole race was back to the boring stuff bar a few bits at the end, but I was mostly falling asleep or watching tennis by then.

Looks like Merc still having temp related deg issues, though not as bad as Spain etc, At least there will be new tyres next race so maybe they can gain in the lottery next time. Lewis did well, Nico went missing a bit again. The Lotus car was back to the early season form, Grosjean really could have won that. Alonso did his usual, getting the best result possible despite a suspect strategy.

McLaren also better on these tyres, Sergio unceremoniously driving past Button was almost a formality, he does this practically every race now, at least this time he finished in the points. The SC took away his strategic advantage I believe, otherwise he could have trounced Button
Button had one of his few good drives a year but had to revert to form by moaning about backmarkers 'costing him 5th' doing your tyres and being slow cost you 5th,
Funny how he didnt mention Canada when he had to be blue flagged to allow Lewis to lap him
Hopefully now the team seem reasonable on race pace there should be no more excuses and wallowing in how 'bad' the car is

Seb is a great driver, just a shame no one has a car as good as his has been for years. Lets hope Merc can turn their fast car into a good one in time for Lewis to provide a real test for Seb

[LRW]

I think it's a little harsh, the fine on RBR. If that wheel didn't hit anyone they would have been fined the normal amount (Which is far less if I remember correctly) it's not their fault where that tyre went, pitlanes in races are inherently dangerous.

It is their fault the car was released though.

Yes, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they should be fined, but the usual amount, it's not their fault what the tyre did once it was released.

What is the usual amount? I mean, I guess the fine is a combination of an unsafe release, and failing to secure the tyre or something.

I agree, it should be around the usual amount.

2013 Malaysian GP - Torro Rosso fined €10,000 (£8,530) for a collision between Vergne and Pic after an unsafe release by Torro Rosso.

Hmm, but that's only part of it, I mean this time the car was released when not mechanically secure.

Caterham were fined the same amount at the Spanish GP after van der Garde's rear left went in a different direction from the rest of the car at turn 10.

So what we have concluded is there is inconsistency from the FiA then....?

[andrew]

So what sort of protective gear do you suggest Cooking?

[CookinFlat6]

Stuff that would prevent injury if hit by tyres, and ofcourse fire resistant

Stuff like the actual pitcrews wear at one end of the scale right up to a tank at the other end

The point would still remain, tyres will escape and hit people

[andrew]

The HSE would look at the incident and would immediately say he should have been wearing a hi-viz vest.

I think a better suggestion would be Safe Havens for pitlane TV crews where they can still get some good footage but would be protected from any low flying objects.

[1Lemon]

I think it's a little harsh, the fine on RBR. If that wheel didn't hit anyone they would have been fined the normal amount (Which is far less if I remember correctly) it's not their fault where that tyre went, pitlanes in races are inherently dangerous.

It is their fault the car was released though.

Yes, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished, they should be fined, but the usual amount, it's not their fault what the tyre did once it was released.

What is the usual amount? I mean, I guess the fine is a combination of an unsafe release, and failing to secure the tyre or something.

I agree, it should be around the usual amount.

2013 Malaysian GP - Torro Rosso fined €10,000 (£8,530) for a collision between Vergne and Pic after an unsafe release by Torro Rosso.

Hmm, but that's only part of it, I mean this time the car was released when not mechanically secure.

Caterham were fined the same amount at the Spanish GP after van der Garde's rear left went in a different direction from the rest of the car at turn 10.

So what we have concluded is there is inconsistency from the FiA then....?

We're really coming up with shocking and controversial conclusions on this Forum.

Also I'd like to suggest that the sky is blue and you need to eat food to live.

[spankyham]

Excellent race again from Seb, I think his and Rb's odds on winning another set of championships just firmed considerably. Their car really is the best of the pack and, their only vulnerability - poorly designed for the tires supposed to be used for 2013 has been lucked away for them.

A really good challenge from Lotus, both Kimi and Romain did all you could expect from them.

Ferrari's chances fizzled out when Fernando couldn't make his first set of tires work. He drove well and probably got the max points he could achieve for this race.

Highlight of the race was Lewis holding Fernando off - that was epic. Lewis showed great skill to hold Nando off when clearly Nando was faster at that time. Great close racing. I've made the point in the past (when arguing against DRS and other gimmicks) that passing is not what is thrilling, wheel to wheel racing is what is thrilling. This was a great example of that.

Lewis's throw away remark - something to the effect of "these guys are on different tires to me". Is there a case to be made that there were indeed significant differences in the tires brought to the race? Look at Romain's first stint on the option, his lap times at the end were out of this world good. Kimi, in the same car on options at the end of the race (much lighter car) his tires dropped off as you would expect. Look at the huge difference between Nando's first stint on primes compared to his second stint, after the change of tire there was a huge performance jump. None of it would make a difference to the outcome but I wonder if, in their haste to build all the tires needed, their quality control was a bit missing.

Merc - I think there was a lot of excitement after their Spanish testing that the team had resolved their tire-munching habit. After looking at Friday's practice times I noted here that Merc seemed off the pace on long runs, but speculated that it may have been down to fuel load. Clearly it wasn't. I think Merc's problems were somewhat masked by the very conservative tire choice's from Pirelli in the previous few races.

Pecking order is now determined by the tires Pirelli choose. Conservative will yield Red Bull, Merc, Ferrari, Lotus while aggressive tire choice gives us Red Bull, Lotus, Ferrari then Merc. For what its worth I feel if we had to run on the tires spec'd for the season (with banning of what Pirelli call unsafe practices) then the pecking order would be Conservative will give us Red Bull, Ferrari, Lotus then Merc. Aggressive will yield Ferrari, Lotus, Red Bull then Merc.

I'd also note that Friday long runs have basically been an accurate barometer to race performance for at least the last few races.

[Big Azza]

Highlight of the race was Lewis holding Fernando off - that was epic. Lewis showed great skill to hold Nando off when clearly Nando was faster at that time. Great close racing.

I couldn't watch that, because we went to a bloody commercial break during the middle of the battle!!!!

I think Red Bull are leading this championship at the moment because of consistency. Ferrari have dropped off the pace the last couple of races, and Merc have their persistent tire problems. Those sorts of things cost world championships.

Whilst a lot of it is down to the constructors and their development race, having a consistent driver in Vettel allows the team to have a benchmark in order to make improvements.

[hirstes]

Highlight of the race was Lewis holding Fernando off - that was epic. Lewis showed great skill to hold Nando off when clearly Nando was faster at that time. Great close racing. I've made the point in the past (when arguing against DRS and other gimmicks) that passing is not what is thrilling, wheel to wheel racing is what is thrilling. This was a great example of that.

This is why i think that the rules need to be changed for DRS use. I think that drivers should be allowed to use it when they are greater than 2-3 seconds behind the car in front and on any part of the circuit, like during qualifying last year. then when or if they get within that time frame they are no longer allowed to use it but summon all their talent to get past. to me this would justify DRS because it would PROMOTE racing and not just a false pass where there is no defending whatsoever. it also would emphasize car design because if the theory holds out then we would see a lot more wheel to wheel racing and the aero might change so that the cars could effectively run right behind the car in front for longer ultimately giving a better chance for the overtake. I think this because right now the focus is on aerodynamics. look at red bull. their straight line isnt the best....ever but they have the quickest car because they can get the downforce to increase the speed in the corners at the sacrifice to their top end speed. so i think my theory would change things to the way things were to back in the day where mechanical grip was more important, my theory would hopefully be a true meld between the two. good aero grip in the corners but also good mechanical grip so you can scrap longer and have a higher top end