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bud wrote:Mercs share holders will deliver their punishment for this cheating.Oh please...if it was cheating, they would've got a penalty which they never suggested for themselves. Everyone pissed off at this penalty are just sour they didn't think of doing this themselves. Merc shareholders can chalk up another star for their captain, Brawn the Shark.
Hammer278 wrote:Or it could be that the FIA decided to hand out a lenient punishment because Merc will be supplying engines to five teams next season, creating a huge vacuum if Merc decided to pull out?bud wrote:Mercs share holders will deliver their punishment for this cheating.Oh please...if it was cheating, they would've got a penalty which they never suggested for themselves. Everyone pissed off at this penalty are just sour they didn't think of doing this themselves. Merc shareholders can chalk up another star for their captain, Brawn the Shark.
myownalias wrote:Maybe. Still, it's pulling power, if you have it you can choose to flaunt it...it's how the world rolls.Hammer278 wrote:Or it could be that the FIA decided to hand out a lenient punishment because Merc will be supplying engines to five teams next season, creating a huge vacuum if Merc decided to pull out?bud wrote:Mercs share holders will deliver their punishment for this cheating.Oh please...if it was cheating, they would've got a penalty which they never suggested for themselves. Everyone pissed off at this penalty are just sour they didn't think of doing this themselves. Merc shareholders can chalk up another star for their captain, Brawn the Shark.
Hammer278 wrote:What? If they didn't break the rules, they wouldn't have suggested a punishment for themselves.bud wrote:Mercs share holders will deliver their punishment for this cheating.Oh please...if it was cheating, they would've got a penalty which they never suggested for themselves. Everyone pissed off at this penalty are just sour they didn't think of doing this themselves. Merc shareholders can chalk up another star for their captain, Brawn the Shark.
What's Burning? wrote:That is what this forum is all about... circular discussions... the horse is never dead!
vaptin wrote:They BENT it. Doesn't qualify as 'cheating'.Hammer278 wrote:What? If they didn't break the rules, they wouldn't have suggested a punishment for themselves.bud wrote:Mercs share holders will deliver their punishment for this cheating.Oh please...if it was cheating, they would've got a penalty which they never suggested for themselves. Everyone pissed off at this penalty are just sour they didn't think of doing this themselves. Merc shareholders can chalk up another star for their captain, Brawn the Shark.
What's Burning? wrote:If Charlie Whiting would have said not Mercedes would have not gone through with the test using the 2013 car. How is that cheating?Bottom line, Mercedes were found guilty of breaching article 22.4, by their own admission, but under extenuating circumstances. Are they guilty, YES, Mercedes knew the rules, are the FIA guilty, YES, Charlie Whiting should not have given the go-ahead before knowing all the facts! Everyone is guilty, punishment has been dealt, end of story!
myownalias wrote:But that doesn't say they cheated, that says they knew the rules but thought they'd been given an exception to those rules. Let's be clear on the language. That's why the tribunal's ruling said Mercedes broke the sporting regulations but they did exercise good faith in their attempt/dealings following the standard process with an FiA official and thus the wrist slap instead of severe punishment.What's Burning? wrote:If Charlie Whiting would have said not Mercedes would have not gone through with the test using the 2013 car. How is that cheating?Bottom line, Mercedes were found guilty of breaching article 22.4, by their own admission, but under extenuating circumstances. Are they guilty, YES, Mercedes knew the rules, are the FIA guilty, YES, Charlie Whiting should not have given the go-ahead before knowing all the facts!
myownalias wrote:Okay, they were guilty of being ignorant, but we were arguing about them CHEATING. Ignorance does not equal CHEATING.What's Burning? wrote:If Charlie Whiting would have said not Mercedes would have not gone through with the test using the 2013 car. How is that cheating?Bottom line, Mercedes were found guilty of breaching article 22.4, by their own admission, but under extenuating circumstances. Are they guilty, YES, Mercedes knew the rules, are the FIA guilty, YES, Charlie Whiting should not have given the go-ahead before knowing all the facts! Everyone is guilty, punishment has been dealt, end of story!
Hammer278 wrote:If they were ignorant they wouldn't have asked for the exception in the first place. They relied on Charlie's approval knowing they needed it since it was against the regulations. The Tribunal said that Charlie wasn't the right guy for that approval hence Mercedes' actions being deemed in good faith. No one cheats in good faith.myownalias wrote:Okay, they were guilty of being ignorant, but we were arguing about them CHEATING. Ignorance does not equal CHEATING.What's Burning? wrote:If Charlie Whiting would have said not Mercedes would have not gone through with the test using the 2013 car. How is that cheating?Bottom line, Mercedes were found guilty of breaching article 22.4, by their own admission, but under extenuating circumstances. Are they guilty, YES, Mercedes knew the rules, are the FIA guilty, YES, Charlie Whiting should not have given the go-ahead before knowing all the facts! Everyone is guilty, punishment has been dealt, end of story!
Hammer278 wrote:There is also a saying in a court of law, "ignorance is no excuse", if you don't see a change of speed limit sign, from 70mph to 60mph and you are pulled over for speeding, are you not guilty?myownalias wrote:Okay, they were guilty of being ignorant, but we were arguing about them CHEATING. Ignorance does not equal CHEATING.What's Burning? wrote:If Charlie Whiting would have said not Mercedes would have not gone through with the test using the 2013 car. How is that cheating?Bottom line, Mercedes were found guilty of breaching article 22.4, by their own admission, but under extenuating circumstances. Are they guilty, YES, Mercedes knew the rules, are the FIA guilty, YES, Charlie Whiting should not have given the go-ahead before knowing all the facts! Everyone is guilty, punishment has been dealt, end of story!
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