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[stonemonkey]

I have done some testing and I can say I pass the test




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Something went wrong, I assume this is a fail.

[darwin dali]

I have done some testing and I can say I pass the test




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A mighty fine pencil

[racechick]

Whoa! There's something so wrong with both those pics!!!

[stonemonkey]

I have done some testing and I can say I pass the test




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A mighty fine pencil

And a mighty fine pair. Even more impressive is that the 'pencil' is also supporting her clothing.

[spankyham]

Seems at least some of the teams are at least thinking about what I suggested immediately after the decision. Teams might forego the young driver test and simply do 3 days of their own testing and then go to tribunal, as Merc did, and say they can't be punished beyond that which Merc was punished.....

We definitely need something to talk about in the breaks between races

staff wrote wrote:">'Red Bull consider boycotting YDT'

Testgate appears to be far from over with a report claiming "Red Bull are threatening to take the law into their own hands" after Mercedes' soft penalty.

Although Mercedes were found guilty of breaching rules and bringing the sport into disrepute after conducting a three-day test with Pirelli in Spain, they were only handed a reprimand and banned from the Young Driver Test later this year.

The punishment has not gone down well with Red Bull and Ferrari with the latter saying it is nothing more than a "rap across the knuckles".

Red Bull, who suggested before the verdict that Mercedes should get more than just a monetary fine, are still fuming and want to take matters further.

According to The Times, 'Red Bull are threatening to take the law into their own hands as a direct challenge to the authority of the FIA, the governing body, and Jean Todt, its president whose standing is at rock bottom in the most important sport in his portfolio.

'Red Bull executives are considering boycotting the Young Drivers' Test to set up their own private session in a mirror of the Mercedes case. A private test would breach the FIA rulebook but Red Bull are said to have told [F1 chief executive Bernie] Ecclestone that they would take the risk of a reprimand - the punishment meted out to Mercedes - for the benefit of three days of testing.'

Ferrari are also unhappy with the FIA and president Jean Todt, but it appears they will "pull back from any threat to stage a private test".

A source close to Ferrari told The Times: "How can a reprimand be enough to punish a team that struggled at the Spanish Grand Prix, tested and then won in Monaco? No one knew about the test, yet the tribunal does not seem to have investigated why not and what exactly went on. No wonder the teams are angry. They have had enough of the FIA. The threats might be empty at the moment but the fact that these conversations are taking place shows that no one is happy with Todt or the FIA. The crunch is coming and everyone wonders when and how. Maybe this is the time."

[1Lemon]

But what do they do AFTER the YDT has finished? Do they just not turn up and then commit the crime and say "We forfeited it ourselves", that makes little sense. Which is why I was always confused at the outcome of this case, what would they have done if this occurred after the YDT?

[spankyham]

But what do they do AFTER the YDT has finished? Do they just not turn up and then commit the crime and say "We forfeited it ourselves", that makes little sense. Which is why I was always confused at the outcome of this case, what would they have done if this occurred after the YDT?

My assumption would be that, if RB carried their threat out, they would simply leave that as a problem for the Tribunal. RB would simply not go to the YDT and say they have self-administered their own penalty. They would also point to the precedent that the Tribunal can't fine, take points or stop them from completing at any races as they took those punishments off the table in the Merc decision.

Having said all the above, I really don't believe RB or Ferrari will do this. I think they are just venting their anger at what they feel is a too light penalty. But, TBH, I think the penalty is fair, RB and Ferrari will get lots out of the YDT and Merc can't be there so - fair penalty i think.

If RB and Ferrari want to take matters further they could appeal or push to get the data Pirelli gave to Merc.

[Ichabod]

My assumption would be that, if RB carried their threat out, they would simply leave that as a problem for the Tribunal. RB would simply not go to the YDT and say they have self-administered their own penalty. They would also point to the precedent that the Tribunal can't fine, take points or stop them from completing at any races as they took those punishments off the table in the Merc decision.

Having said all the above, I really don't believe RB or Ferrari will do this. I think they are just venting their anger at what they feel is a too light penalty. But, TBH, I think the penalty is fair, RB and Ferrari will get lots out of the YDT and Merc can't be there so - fair penalty i think.

If RB and Ferrari want to take matters further they could appeal or push to get the data Pirelli gave to Merc.

I f RB, Ferrari or any other team where to proceed with this course of action and were subsequently taken to a tribunal, they would have to show that they acted in good faith (as Merc were deemed to have) if they were found to have acted in bad faith then the precedent becomes meaningless and a new penalty can be imposed.

[CookinFlat6]

I f RB, Ferrari or any other team where to proceed with this course of action and were subsequently taken to a tribunal, they would have to show that they acted in good faith (as Merc were deemed to have) if they were found to have acted in bad faith then the precedent becomes meaningless and a new penalty can be imposed.

They could also be hit with a disrepute charge that the FIA could act upon. I think its an empty threat, the only way it could work is if they got all the other teams to do the same. But only a few of the other teams could afford this. RBR have no threat of engine supply either

They are blowing hot air

[racechick]

They can't use the precedent argument, because the hearing said that the rules weren't clear but that the test shouldn't have happened. So now the rules Ar clear. It can't happen.

Also, the test has to be arranged by Pirelli. Red Bull can't just go ahead and arrange one. It was clear before the tribunal that that was the case.
I think they're just trying to kick up fuss.

[What's Burning?]

The other thing that would shoot down their argument and actually incur the wrath of the FiA is that Mercedes didn't ask for the test it was a Pirelli test, a test because of a safety issue. The fact that the new car was used is why RB and Ferrari have the stick up their bum. A team can test whenever they want with a two year old car. This Merc test wasn't Mercedes testing on their own and then deciding the use a new car.

The difference in a team choosing now to forgo the YDT and doing something on their own and using a new car, would get them legally banned for the season. Any court would only come to that conclusion.

This is just a way for these teams to show how butt hurt they are, and it makes them look like 12 year old girls for doing it. But that's F1.

[1Lemon]

a test because of a safety issue.

Ah no it wasn't. If it was a safety issue the agreements have clauses stating that Pirelli can run tests and change the tyres if there is a safety issue regardless of if all teams agree; which they can't do because it's a PR issue and not a safety issue; and we never would of had this entire tribunal.

[What's Burning?]

a test because of a safety issue.

Ah no it wasn't. If it was a safety issue the agreements have clauses stating that Pirelli can run tests and change the tyres if there is a safety issue regardless of if all teams agree; which they can't do because it's a PR issue and not a safety issue; and we never would of had this entire tribunal.

so says you. the tires were delaminating, that's not a safety issue in your opinion. we saw them what five times during two or three races? when it happens at 180 mph, you tell me it's a PR issue.

[Ichabod]

a test because of a safety issue.

Ah no it wasn't. If it was a safety issue the agreements have clauses stating that Pirelli can run tests and change the tyres if there is a safety issue regardless of if all teams agree; which they can't do because it's a PR issue and not a safety issue; and we never would of had this entire tribunal.

But during the tribunal the two new pieces of evidence were

1. A letter from the GPDA signed by Jenson Button, Sebastian Vettel and Pedro De La Rosa stating that the felt that the tires were dangerous

2. An E mail from Charlie Whiting to Paul Hemperby (Gaylord) Telling him to make sure that the tires Pirelli take to Canada are safe !