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[darwin dali]

Yep, agree with the last bit Myown, no punishment would be the best option.

That's not what I meant and you know it, the rules are pretty clear, no tyre testing with a current car and current drivers, did we ever get any proof that the FiA gave permission? I've not seen any signed documents from the FiA saying it was authorised, not saying there wasn't a signed document but I haven't personally seen it, anyone have a link?

No I know that's not what you meant, couldn't resist

Charlie gave permission. Not Mercedes fault if he's piss useless.

A bit harsh

[What's Burning?]

I know the troll has his buying stolen property analogy.... but this is more like I go to a bakery and ask the guy behind the counter if I can have a eclair for free... he said sure. The next day the owner wants to charge me for the eclair and my buddy Chris Horner is bitching that he didn't get a free eclair.

[andrew]

Yep, agree with the last bit Myown, no punishment would be the best option.

That's not what I meant and you know it, the rules are pretty clear, no tyre testing with a current car and current drivers, did we ever get any proof that the FiA gave permission? I've not seen any signed documents from the FiA saying it was authorised, not saying there wasn't a signed document but I haven't personally seen it, anyone have a link?

No I know that's not what you meant, couldn't resist

Charlie gave permission. Not Mercedes fault if he's piss useless.

It is if they didn't have express written permission or if they didn't follow the correct procedure for running the test.

All this will of course be revealed at some point tomorrow.

[LewEngBridewell]

Good poll

Lots of people seem to be angling for a ban

(Edit... well, 3 people)

[Ferrari man 009]

I think Merc will get a fine and possibly some points deducted, but Pirelli get nothing. IMHO Pirelli have done nothing wrong, they asked teams to do tests, that's in their contract, that's fine; it's not their job to ensure that Merc stick to the rules.

Agree with this!

[What's Burning?]

I'm glad you guys agree on that point. Because by that logic, you'd also agree that it's not Mercedes' responsibility to notify other teams of the PIRELLI test. Leaving ONLY the contention of the current car being used which Mercedes got approval to use by the "normal" process they ask for approval for all other things.

[Jabberwocky]

Does this leave it open for all the teams to say... Brembo where testing some brakes and not us. Etc

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[What's Burning?]

Brembo doesn't have an exclusive contract with the FiA to produce brakes for F1. Also there are far fewer variables in brake testing most of which can be done in a controlled environment.

[Ferrari man 009]

I'm glad you guys agree on that point. Because by that logic, you'd also agree that it's not Mercedes' responsibility to notify other teams of the PIRELLI test. Leaving ONLY the contention of the current car being used which Mercedes got approval to use by the "normal" process they ask for approval for all other things.

I believe one of the things mentioned at the tribunal is it is the responsibility of the competitor (Mercedes) to ensure it meets the regulations. If Pirelli have a contract to test what they like then fine, but Mercedes cant test a 2013 or 2012 car and should have said no, it was their responsibility to do so.

As Pirelli were doing something as allowed by their contract I dont see how they could/should be punished, however, Mercedes have breached the sporting regulations, however, I disagree that rule 151c should be mentioned, as I dont think the breach was as serious as McLaren in 2007!

Therefore i'd go for a fine (but nowhere near as much as McLaren got in 07), lose constructors points from Monaco + Canada and get banned from the Young Driver test.

Whiting and his legal team should also be reprimanded by the tribunal for poorly advising Mercedes that the test would be allowed under the regulations.

[What's Burning?]

I'm glad you guys agree on that point. Because by that logic, you'd also agree that it's not Mercedes' responsibility to notify other teams of the PIRELLI test. Leaving ONLY the contention of the current car being used which Mercedes got approval to use by the "normal" process they ask for approval for all other things.

I believe one of the things mentioned at the tribunal is it is the responsibility of the competitor (Mercedes) to ensure it meets the regulations. If Pirelli have a contract to test what they like then fine, but Mercedes cant test a 2013 or 2012 car and should have said no, it was their responsibility to do so.

As Pirelli were doing something as allowed by their contract I dont see how they could/should be punished, however, Mercedes have breached the sporting regulations, however, I disagree that rule 151c should be mentioned, as I dont think the breach was as serious as McLaren in 2007!

Therefore i'd go for a fine (but nowhere near as much as McLaren got in 07), lose constructors points from Monaco + Canada and get banned from the Young Driver test.

Whiting and his legal team should also be reprimanded by the tribunal for poorly advising Mercedes that the test would be allowed under the regulations.

Your last sentence is the legal argument as to why even if Mercedes broke the sporting regulations by using a 2013 car they will suffer little more than a slap on the wrist for it. They asked and were told okay. It's not as if they didn't ask and just did it of their own accord. Big difference.

[Jabberwocky]

Brembo doesn't have an exclusive contract with the FiA to produce brakes for F1. Also there are far fewer variables in brake testing most of which can be done in a controlled environment.

That was just an example mate. What it Mclaren Electronic Systems (who provide all the ecu's) decide to test a new car?

I think this loop hole could lead to a lot of it was not us it was <insert part provider>

Or even we sold our brand new car to another company who are doing 1000km a week with it.

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[LRW]

......Or even we sold our brand new car to another company who are doing 1000km a week with it.

Now thats interesting.

Maybe we could all get together and offer to buy a car off them for a nominal fee of £1 and do the testing for them. We can use the Oxford Ring Road as a test track.

[acosmichippo]

I'll bring beer.

[LRW]

I'll bring beer.

I'll be your friend that day then.

[Ferrari man 009]

I'm glad you guys agree on that point. Because by that logic, you'd also agree that it's not Mercedes' responsibility to notify other teams of the PIRELLI test. Leaving ONLY the contention of the current car being used which Mercedes got approval to use by the "normal" process they ask for approval for all other things.

I believe one of the things mentioned at the tribunal is it is the responsibility of the competitor (Mercedes) to ensure it meets the regulations. If Pirelli have a contract to test what they like then fine, but Mercedes cant test a 2013 or 2012 car and should have said no, it was their responsibility to do so.

As Pirelli were doing something as allowed by their contract I dont see how they could/should be punished, however, Mercedes have breached the sporting regulations, however, I disagree that rule 151c should be mentioned, as I dont think the breach was as serious as McLaren in 2007!

Therefore i'd go for a fine (but nowhere near as much as McLaren got in 07), lose constructors points from Monaco + Canada and get banned from the Young Driver test.

Whiting and his legal team should also be reprimanded by the tribunal for poorly advising Mercedes that the test would be allowed under the regulations.

Your last sentence is the legal argument as to why even if Mercedes broke the sporting regulations by using a 2013 car they will suffer little more than a slap on the wrist for it. They asked and were told okay. It's not as if they didn't ask and just did it of their own accord. Big difference.

But as the FIA said, Whiting can only give advice on his interpretation.