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[Hammer278]

Who was that embarrassing for exactly? The only people I can see it being embarrassing for is the Italian media who had already basically given Alonso the title due to the "illegal" overtake.

Italian media, Ferrari, anyone who felt the need to jump on it time after time with "this time it's real!"
Probably thé most embarassing media story in history, because of the desperation. Clutching for one straw after another, after another, after another, only to find they were so wrong that the FIA just said "there is nothing to investigate". Seriously, how stupid do you look when you create such a mega-cluster-fuzz, only to then be told it's so much nothing, it's not even worth writing more than one sentence for. That's like bigging yourself up in the media, printing t-shirts and bringing 100 fans to American Idol, only to then be buzzed out before you even get to finish your song. It is that embarrassing.

You sound worried.

[mnmracer]

Who was that embarrassing for exactly? The only people I can see it being embarrassing for is the Italian media who had already basically given Alonso the title due to the "illegal" overtake.

Italian media, Ferrari, anyone who felt the need to jump on it time after time with "this time it's real!"
Probably thé most embarassing media story in history, because of the desperation. Clutching for one straw after another, after another, after another, only to find they were so wrong that the FIA just said "there is nothing to investigate". Seriously, how stupid do you look when you create such a mega-cluster-fuzz, only to then be told it's so much nothing, it's not even worth writing more than one sentence for. That's like bigging yourself up in the media, printing t-shirts and bringing 100 fans to American Idol, only to then be buzzed out before you even get to finish your song. It is that embarrassing.

You sound worried.

Unfounded / wild accusations of Red Bull using Traction Control in Montreal
nah

[LRW]

Who was that embarrassing for exactly? The only people I can see it being embarrassing for is the Italian media who had already basically given Alonso the title due to the "illegal" overtake.

Italian media, Ferrari, anyone who felt the need to jump on it time after time with "this time it's real!"
Probably thé most embarassing media story in history, because of the desperation. Clutching for one straw after another, after another, after another, only to find they were so wrong that the FIA just said "there is nothing to investigate". Seriously, how stupid do you look when you create such a mega-cluster-fuzz, only to then be told it's so much nothing, it's not even worth writing more than one sentence for. That's like bigging yourself up in the media, printing t-shirts and bringing 100 fans to American Idol, only to then be buzzed out before you even get to finish your song. It is that embarrassing.

You sound worried.

Unfounded / wild accusations of Red Bull using Traction Control in Montreal
nah

Yeah, now weve heard from a Manager of a Car & Van Rental company based on the Isle of Wight we can all rest easy...

[mnmracer]

Such tire marks cannot be the undisputed proof that Red Bull is using some sort of a traction control device.

In 1984-1985, the Michelin-shod F1 cars used to leave similar tire marks on the tarmac under powerful accelerations. Michelin’s Pierre Dupasquier explained at the time that the flexible sidewalls of the radial Michelin tire generated major tire deformation under extreme loads, producing these marks, as there were no traction control systems at the time.

This photo taken by WRI2.net last year shows similar tire marks, again caused by the deformation of the tire under acceleration.

[What's Burning?]

I agree that if you look at it at face value, there are explanations for it other than traction control but your guess that it's not is as good as someone's guess that it is. Given Red Bull's track record of late on "interpreting" the rules, does it surprise you that their head an shoulders performances are being scrutinized?

[mnmracer]

I agree that if you look at it at face value, there are explanations for it other than traction control but your guess that it's not is as good as someone's guess that it is. Given Red Bull's track record of late on "interpreting" the rules, does it surprise you that their head an shoulders performances are being scrutinized?

I hold you in higher regard then that you would seriously be so naive Red Bull is any more 'interpreting the rules' than any of the other 10 teams. Red Bull gets all the flack because they're generally unliked, but the fact no one remembers McLaren being investigated for a curvy bottom and flexy wings (before RB) last year, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Same thing here: as you saw, the Force India left the exact same marks in the exact same race. If this was a serious bit of news, why was Sutil not questioned?

Yellow-flag gate was the most embarrassing, most long-winded non-issue in recent history, yet the fact Alonso opened his DRS before the DRS line in Bahrain was hardly mentioned. Was yellow-flag gate objectively more evil than Alonso's early DRS? Or is it a matter of skewed perceptions because of favoritism?

[What's Burning?]

it's not breaking the rules... young padawan. people only care if you're breaking the rules when you're winning no one is going to care if Marussia or Caterham are doing something outside of the rules given their current levels of success.

[Jabberwocky]

I dont think anyone cares if someone cheats and they finish behind you. If you appear to cheat and come in 15 seconds ahead of the rest of the field. People will want to know why

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[mnmracer]

I dont think anyone cares if someone cheats and they finish behind you. If you appear to cheat and come in 15 seconds ahead of the rest of the field. People will want to know why.

So you are also questioning how Alonso can have a lightning start in Spain (as do the Ferrari's in every race) and then finished the race 10 seconds ahead of Räikkönen?

[LRW]

I dont think anyone cares if someone cheats and they finish behind you. If you appear to cheat and come in 15 seconds ahead of the rest of the field. People will want to know why.

So you are also questioning how Alonso can have a lightning start in Spain (as do the Ferrari's in every race) and then finished the race 10 seconds ahead of Räikkönen?

No of course we are not - because we all love Ferrari, and we hate RedBull (they smell).

[1Lemon]

I've always found it a bit odd that people instantly jump on RBR. They operate on the limit of the law as they should, installing a Traction Control is not an interpretation of the rules as RB like to do, it would be a total disregard for the rules in it's entirity; it's on the line to test a two year old car in a tyre test but it's a disregard for the rules to run a current car in a tyre test (as a purley hypothetical situation of course ).

Another example is this, Red Bull always do 77 MPH on the motoway, technically that's speeding but it's within the 10% limit before you're given a slap on the wrist by the rozzers so you wouldn't be stopped. What people are insinuating here is that RBR are doing 270 MPH down the motoway, and sat in the middle lane all the way at that!

[What's Burning?]

There was that instance of ride height mechanism that could be adjusted by hand was that an interpretation of the rules or a deliberate attempt at gaining an illegal advantage? The title of the thread does have a question mark in it.

[1Lemon]

There was that instance of ride height mechanism that could be adjusted by hand was that an interpretation of the rules or a deliberate attempt at gaining an illegal advantage? The title of the thread does have a question mark in it.

I'm not sure about this, but does it actually say in the rules that you can't have an adjustable mechanism for that? Because if it doesn't then it's an interpretation, if they use it to go down to the illegal advantage height then that's breaking the rules, but if they don't actually adjust it below the limit then it's an interpretation.

My car can easily do more than 70, doesn't mean I am breaking the speed limit.

[What's Burning?]

The rules said the ride height adjustment required the use of a tool. Red Bulls adjustment was shown to be adjustable with only your hand when the FiA official wasn't looking. I mean they weren't officially charged with it, just observed more closely and in the races following that Red Bull had some of their worst results of the year. Does make you think.

Whether you speed or not, doesn't mean a thing. It's how much risk you're willing to take and what's being insinuated is that it would be beyond Red Bull to actually cheat, (insert your own definition here) when they've clearly been (of late at least) the sport's number one offender.

[andrew]

Who was that embarrassing for exactly? The only people I can see it being embarrassing for is the Italian media who had already basically given Alonso the title due to the "illegal" overtake.

Italian media, Ferrari, anyone who felt the need to jump on it time after time with "this time it's real!"
Probably thé most embarassing media story in history, because of the desperation. Clutching for one straw after another, after another, after another, only to find they were so wrong that the FIA just said "there is nothing to investigate". Seriously, how stupid do you look when you create such a mega-cluster-fuzz, only to then be told it's so much nothing, it's not even worth writing more than one sentence for. That's like bigging yourself up in the media, printing t-shirts and bringing 100 fans to American Idol, only to then be buzzed out before you even get to finish your song. It is that embarrassing.

You sound worried.

Unfounded / wild accusations of Red Bull using Traction Control in Montreal
nah

Yeah, now weve heard from a Manager of a Car & Van Rental company based on the Isle of Wight we can all rest easy...

Well let's be fair here. The Italian sports press are not exactly well known for their impartiality, especially when Ferrari are not leading the championship are concerned so the Manager of a Car & Van Rental company based on the Isle of Wight is probably going to have a more balanced opinion on this.