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[Irv the Swerve]

That's according to Former F1 Driver Eddie Irvine, who hopes Alonso gets what's coming to him!
http://www.forumula1.com/2008/f1/f1-new ... s-a-clown/

Fernando Alonso finished fourth which you could say is a good result but I think he’s sh*t in his own bed so he deserves the smell! He is really going to regret what he did last year and he deserves every bit of bad luck and misery he can get. There has been talk of the Lewis v Alonso situation being even more intense this year but he’s not even on Lewis’ radar any more except for when Lewis comes up to lap him. And maybe he will try and mess about with the leaders because after last year I think Alonso is capable of anything. The guy is a clown and I don’t know anyone who has any respect for him. He’s a good driver and that’s it. Full stop!”

[Denthúl]

I love the way Eddie always spoke honestly like that. Much like Brundle can be. Made me laugh a bit, so it did. But he's right, I guess - Alonso got involved in something he shouldn't have, then did many things he shouldn't have. Before 2007, I thought he was a good guy.

[8-ball]

I love the way Eddie always spoke honestly like that. Much like Brundle can be. Made me laugh a bit, so it did. But he's right, I guess - Alonso got involved in something he shouldn't have, then did many things he shouldn't have. Before 2007, I thought he was a good guy.

I fault no man for wanting to be world champion. Lewis did things wrong as well and this false perception that he is an angel makes me sick. Lewis did not follow orders and gained an advantage so Alonso retaliated and got his advantage back. Of course he did some things that were wrong such as bribing his mechanics but Lewis deserves some stick as well as he didn't play by the book also

[racechick]

I love the way Eddie always spoke honestly like that. Much like Brundle can be. Made me laugh a bit, so it did. But he's right, I guess - Alonso got involved in something he shouldn't have, then did many things he shouldn't have. Before 2007, I thought he was a good guy.

I fault no man for wanting to be world champion. Lewis did things wrong as well and this false perception that he is an angel makes me sick. Lewis did not follow orders and gained an advantage so Alonso retaliated and got his advantage back. Of course he did some things that were wrong such as bribing his mechanics but Lewis deserves some stick as well as he didn't play by the book also

on a somwhat different scale. Lewis disobeyed his team once and apologised. I cant even start counting the things Alonso did.

[8-ball]

I love the way Eddie always spoke honestly like that. Much like Brundle can be. Made me laugh a bit, so it did. But he's right, I guess - Alonso got involved in something he shouldn't have, then did many things he shouldn't have. Before 2007, I thought he was a good guy.

I fault no man for wanting to be world champion. Lewis did things wrong as well and this false perception that he is an angel makes me sick. Lewis did not follow orders and gained an advantage so Alonso retaliated and got his advantage back. Of course he did some things that were wrong such as bribing his mechanics but Lewis deserves some stick as well as he didn't play by the book also

on a somwhat different scale. Lewis disobeyed his team once and apologised. I cant even start counting the things Alonso did.

How do you know that Alonso didn't apologize? The media was so focused on Lewis that you missed it.

[Denthúl]

I love the way Eddie always spoke honestly like that. Much like Brundle can be. Made me laugh a bit, so it did. But he's right, I guess - Alonso got involved in something he shouldn't have, then did many things he shouldn't have. Before 2007, I thought he was a good guy.

I fault no man for wanting to be world champion. Lewis did things wrong as well and this false perception that he is an angel makes me sick. Lewis did not follow orders and gained an advantage so Alonso retaliated and got his advantage back. Of course he did some things that were wrong such as bribing his mechanics but Lewis deserves some stick as well as he didn't play by the book also

I think neither man is an angel. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be world champion at all, but things he did toward the team (not Lewis) made me lose that respect for him.

[racechick]

Oh he did. when his manager told him what sh!t he was in! (That was after the blackmailing incident)

[mr_burns]

A good driver?
I think a good driver is someone who tries to do it well, with no problems and gets a good results. Someone like Massa, for example.

Alonso is a world champion

[al4x]

A good driver?
I think a good driver is someone who tries to do it well, with no problems and gets a good results. Someone like Massa, for example.

Alonso is a world champion

i dont believe massa is a good driver, he is a good 2nd driver tho

[Jensonb]

I'm getting sick of this. McLaren and Hamilton wronged Alonso, Alonso wronged them. Alonso is not somehow the worse man simply because he was painted that way by the media in their passive aggressive Hamilton love...Err...I mean, F1 coverage.

The fact is, Alonso signed to McLaren as a world champion and went to them as a double world champion. He naturally expected the team to help him win. But instead, Ron installed his golden boy, a brit, as Alonso's team mate. Lewis was always going to get more support from Ron than Fernando thanks to their long relationship and the team as a whole because he's a Brit. McLaren put Alonso in an untenable position.

And Lewis was no angel either. There was a team agreement which he arbitrarily chose to ignore, then subsequently he spat the dummy when Alonso retaliated. In Monaco, he complained that Alonso was perhaps being favoured which placed Ron under pressure from the media to do more for Lewis. Ron was therefore in a bind. Whether Alonso was receiving more support or not, Ron had to shift some of it to Lewis lest he face the Schumi/Barrichello Austria '02 backlash.

But none of it got covered that way. Golden boy was a humble rookie doing surprisingly well (Erk, no, he was in what was marginally the second best car and on its day the best). Alonso was the big bad world champion (Bad? Last year and the year before he was the salt of the earth for defeating Schumi) who was annoyed about how rapid his rookie teammate was (Or, he was annoyed that his rookie team mate had better status in the team than him and there was nothing he could do about it).

Do you see the disconnect between th story in the media and reality?

[racechick]

I'm getting sick of this. McLaren and Hamilton wronged Alonso, Alonso wronged them. Alonso is not somehow the worse man simply because he was painted that way by the media in their passive aggressive Hamilton love...Err...I mean, F1 coverage.

The fact is, Alonso signed to McLaren as a world champion and went to them as a double world champion. He naturally expected the team to help him win. But instead, Ron installed his golden boy, a brit, as Alonso's team mate. Lewis was always going to get more support from Ron than Fernando thanks to their long relationship and the team as a whole because he's a Brit. McLaren put Alonso in an untenable position.

And Lewis was no angel either. There was a team agreement which he arbitrarily chose to ignore, then subsequently he spat the dummy when Alonso retaliated. In Monaco, he complained that Alonso was perhaps being favoured which placed Ron under pressure from the media to do more for Lewis. Ron was therefore in a bind. Whether Alonso was receiving more support or not, Ron had to shift some of it to Lewis lest he face the Schumi/Barrichello Austria '02 backlash.

But none of it got covered that way. Golden boy was a humble rookie doing surprisingly well (Erk, no, he was in what was marginally the second best car and on its day the best). Alonso was the big bad world champion (Bad? Last year and the year before he was the salt of the earth for defeating Schumi) who was annoyed about how rapid his rookie teammate was (Or, he was annoyed that his rookie team mate had better status in the team than him and there was nothing he could do about it).

Do you see the disconnect between th story in the media and reality?

I dont see your view as reality either
The rub of it was Alonso expected to kick rookie arse and couldnt so he had several tantrums. Lewis expected to spend longer getting up to speed but got there fast and wouldnt defer-quite right alonso should have beaten him on the track. McLaren do not favour either double world champions or prodigiosly talented rookies. You have to win on the track . Alonso couldnt and he couldnt hack that fact.

[Lem]

Had a little chuckle at that, but the fact is that Alonso is a world champion and Irvine isn't.

The thing that most annoyed me about Alonso was nothing to do with Lewis, but after his scrap with Massa when he pointed to the tyre marks on his car and waved his finger.

Also, I doubt very much that Lewis thinks he is "an angel". That's a media perspective. Lewis just keeps his head down and does his job an if you ignore all the ridiculous ITV hyperbole, then it's hard not to like and respect the bloke.

[texasmr2]

Also, I doubt very much that Lewis thinks he is "an angel". That's a media perspective. Lewis just keeps his head down and does his job an if you ignore all the ridiculous ITV hyperbole, then it's hard not to like and respect the bloke.

That's the way I feel also.

[Jensonb]

I'm getting sick of this. McLaren and Hamilton wronged Alonso, Alonso wronged them. Alonso is not somehow the worse man simply because he was painted that way by the media in their passive aggressive Hamilton love...Err...I mean, F1 coverage.

The fact is, Alonso signed to McLaren as a world champion and went to them as a double world champion. He naturally expected the team to help him win. But instead, Ron installed his golden boy, a brit, as Alonso's team mate. Lewis was always going to get more support from Ron than Fernando thanks to their long relationship and the team as a whole because he's a Brit. McLaren put Alonso in an untenable position.

And Lewis was no angel either. There was a team agreement which he arbitrarily chose to ignore, then subsequently he spat the dummy when Alonso retaliated. In Monaco, he complained that Alonso was perhaps being favoured which placed Ron under pressure from the media to do more for Lewis. Ron was therefore in a bind. Whether Alonso was receiving more support or not, Ron had to shift some of it to Lewis lest he face the Schumi/Barrichello Austria '02 backlash.

But none of it got covered that way. Golden boy was a humble rookie doing surprisingly well (Erk, no, he was in what was marginally the second best car and on its day the best). Alonso was the big bad world champion (Bad? Last year and the year before he was the salt of the earth for defeating Schumi) who was annoyed about how rapid his rookie teammate was (Or, he was annoyed that his rookie team mate had better status in the team than him and there was nothing he could do about it).

Do you see the disconnect between th story in the media and reality?

I dont see your view as reality either
The rub of it was Alonso expected to kick rookie arse and couldnt so he had several tantrums. Lewis expected to spend longer getting up to speed but got there fast and wouldnt defer-quite right alonso should have beaten him on the track. McLaren do not favour either double world champions or prodigiosly talented rookies. You have to win on the track . Alonso couldnt and he couldnt hack that fact.

Whatever. I'm not going argue the point with you because you don't seem to get it.

[racechick]

I'm getting sick of this. McLaren and Hamilton wronged Alonso, Alonso wronged them. Alonso is not somehow the worse man simply because he was painted that way by the media in their passive aggressive Hamilton love...Err...I mean, F1 coverage.

The fact is, Alonso signed to McLaren as a world champion and went to them as a double world champion. He naturally expected the team to help him win. But instead, Ron installed his golden boy, a brit, as Alonso's team mate. Lewis was always going to get more support from Ron than Fernando thanks to their long relationship and the team as a whole because he's a Brit. McLaren put Alonso in an untenable position.

And Lewis was no angel either. There was a team agreement which he arbitrarily chose to ignore, then subsequently he spat the dummy when Alonso retaliated. In Monaco, he complained that Alonso was perhaps being favoured which placed Ron under pressure from the media to do more for Lewis. Ron was therefore in a bind. Whether Alonso was receiving more support or not, Ron had to shift some of it to Lewis lest he face the Schumi/Barrichello Austria '02 backlash.

But none of it got covered that way. Golden boy was a humble rookie doing surprisingly well (Erk, no, he was in what was marginally the second best car and on its day the best). Alonso was the big bad world champion (Bad? Last year and the year before he was the salt of the earth for defeating Schumi) who was annoyed about how rapid his rookie teammate was (Or, he was annoyed that his rookie team mate had better status in the team than him and there was nothing he could do about it).

Do you see the disconnect between th story in the media and reality?

I dont see your view as reality either
The rub of it was Alonso expected to kick rookie arse and couldnt so he had several tantrums. Lewis expected to spend longer getting up to speed but got there fast and wouldnt defer-quite right alonso should have beaten him on the track. McLaren do not favour either double world champions or prodigiosly talented rookies. You have to win on the track . Alonso couldnt and he couldnt hack that fact.

Whatever. I'm not going argue the point with you because you don't seem to get it.

Well I think I do get it ....but yes - whatever