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[mnmracer]

It sounds more like a rationalization for a shortcoming. But I guess it's a difference of opinion that makes the horse race.

You're deciding to put the label shortcoming on it. I'm giving a psychological explanation to it.
Setting aside that it's an inert drive in everybody -stronger in some more than others- surely you too must see that labeling it as a shortcoming is just your point of view, one that is not shared by everyone, many team bosses included.

[What's Burning?]

I don't disagree. But a label is what we choose. A rose by any other name and blah, blah, blah. I think things simply are. My choosing to label it one thing is no different than you choosing to label it the other. BTW, rationalizing is a very well studied psychological human act.

I couldn't be clearer as to why I dislike Vettel's traits. It's nothing to do with his driving, simply how I view the way he acts on his competitive nature behind the wheel. I will call a bonehead move just that, even when a driver I support makes it, however I feel that there is also a human tendency to protect at all costs that which we hold dear, and it's the reason fanaticism exists.

[mnmracer]

however I feel that there is also a human tendency to protect at all costs that which we hold dear, and it's the reason fanaticism exists.

So you're just protecting me from taking risks myself?

[What's Burning?]

Did you hear him say after he was told there is no point in going so fast... he said "But satisfaction"

Just to answer this point, I think doing something for satisfaction is personal, it's healthy and yeah we all do it. However In doing something for your personal satisfaction in a public environment, where he puts himself first as the risk of a loss to others, (primarily his team) is a very troubling and of course he's done it before. This is no different than when he overtook Webber.

Serial killers often start by killing animals at a young age, and I've read studies where they simply state that it gives them satisfaction to torture them. In other words they don't have the moral filter of what's right or what's wrong. Their pleasure comes first. So doing something for the sake of personal satisfaction is not always a positive thing.

[darwin dali]

Did you hear him say after he was told there is no point in going so fast... he said "But satisfaction"

Just to answer this point, I think doing something for satisfaction is personal, it's healthy and yeah we all do it. However In doing something for your personal satisfaction in a public environment, where he puts himself first as the risk of a loss to others, (primarily his team) is a very troubling and of course he's done it before. This is no different than when he overtook Webber.

Serial killers often start by killing animals at a young age, and I've read studies where they simply state that it gives them satisfaction to torture them. In other words they don't have the moral filter of what's right or what's wrong. Their pleasure comes first. So doing something for the sake of personal satisfaction is not always a positive thing.

You're comparing SV to a serial killer?!
Don't you think that's a bit over the top? But in a sense you're right: he killed his opposition for three straight years

[What's Burning?]

Did you hear him say after he was told there is no point in going so fast... he said "But satisfaction"

Just to answer this point, I think doing something for satisfaction is personal, it's healthy and yeah we all do it. However In doing something for your personal satisfaction in a public environment, where he puts himself first as the risk of a loss to others, (primarily his team) is a very troubling and of course he's done it before. This is no different than when he overtook Webber.

Serial killers often start by killing animals at a young age, and I've read studies where they simply state that it gives them satisfaction to torture them. In other words they don't have the moral filter of what's right or what's wrong. Their pleasure comes first. So doing something for the sake of personal satisfaction is not always a positive thing.

You're comparing SV to a serial killer?!
Don't you think that's a bit over the top? But in a sense you're right: he killed his opposition for three straight years

Fanatical.

[mnmracer]

Did you hear him say after he was told there is no point in going so fast... he said "But satisfaction"

Just to answer this point, I think doing something for satisfaction is personal, it's healthy and yeah we all do it. However In doing something for your personal satisfaction in a public environment, where he puts himself first as the risk of a loss to others, (primarily his team) is a very troubling and of course he's done it before. This is no different than when he overtook Webber.

Serial killers often start by killing animals at a young age, and I've read studies where they simply state that it gives them satisfaction to torture them. In other words they don't have the moral filter of what's right or what's wrong. Their pleasure comes first. So doing something for the sake of personal satisfaction is not always a positive thing.

By that reasoning, every driver that wins with more than a 10 second lead is a potential serial killer...
I mean, they're taking a slightly bigger risk than necessary, just as Vettel did in Monaco. With the emphasis on slightly.
The risk factor is blown out of proportion by a factor 42 here.

[darwin dali]

Did you hear him say after he was told there is no point in going so fast... he said "But satisfaction"

Just to answer this point, I think doing something for satisfaction is personal, it's healthy and yeah we all do it. However In doing something for your personal satisfaction in a public environment, where he puts himself first as the risk of a loss to others, (primarily his team) is a very troubling and of course he's done it before. This is no different than when he overtook Webber.

Serial killers often start by killing animals at a young age, and I've read studies where they simply state that it gives them satisfaction to torture them. In other words they don't have the moral filter of what's right or what's wrong. Their pleasure comes first. So doing something for the sake of personal satisfaction is not always a positive thing.

By that reasoning, every driver that wins with more than a 10 second lead is a potential serial killer...
I mean, they're taking a slightly bigger risk than necessary, just as Vettel did in Monaco. With the emphasis on slightly.
The risk factor is blown out of proportion by a factor 42 here.

42? How do you reckon?

[1Lemon]

Did you hear him say after he was told there is no point in going so fast... he said "But satisfaction"

Just to answer this point, I think doing something for satisfaction is personal, it's healthy and yeah we all do it. However In doing something for your personal satisfaction in a public environment, where he puts himself first as the risk of a loss to others, (primarily his team) is a very troubling and of course he's done it before. This is no different than when he overtook Webber.

Serial killers often start by killing animals at a young age, and I've read studies where they simply state that it gives them satisfaction to torture them. In other words they don't have the moral filter of what's right or what's wrong. Their pleasure comes first. So doing something for the sake of personal satisfaction is not always a positive thing.

By that reasoning, every driver that wins with more than a 10 second lead is a potential serial killer...
I mean, they're taking a slightly bigger risk than necessary, just as Vettel did in Monaco. With the emphasis on slightly.
The risk factor is blown out of proportion by a factor 42 here.

42? How do you reckon?

Meaning of life - Serial Killers - 10 second leads.

How can you not see why 42 is the exact number DD?

[What's Burning?]

It's stretching the reasoning but it's not as if there's no connection. Lapping the field twice, that's an unnecessary risk, and I don't doubt that he did get satisfaction out of taking that fast lap. A very minor risk. I was merely answering your comment about that, about satisfaction and when/how that satisfaction is fulfilled.

A burgeoning serial killer's satisfaction in killing a cat, is not unlike the satisfaction of going for that fast lap, but yeah, diluted by a factor of 42.

Montreal will be very exciting.

[LewEngBridewell]

Just found this picture of Sebastian Vettel & Michael Schumacher in 1999.

[darwin dali]

Nice!

[What's Burning?]

Love child? Illegitimate son? Just putting it out there.

[LewEngBridewell]

Nice!

I know

If only he knew then, what he would go on to achieve...

[stonemonkey]

In sport you need a cetain ruthlessness, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some psychological connection. And that's not just with Vettel.