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By Nin-Chin
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Christian Horner has revealed Red Bull were approached by Pirelli to carry out an in-season test but rejected the opportunity as they felt it would have been in breach of the Sporting Regulations.

A key aspect of the Testgate saga, and one which is likely to feature prominently when the saga is presented to the FIA International Tribunal, is whether all 11 teams were awarded the same opportunity to carry out a tyre test.

Lotus and Force India confirmed to Sky Sports F1 they had not been approached by Pirelli when news broke during the Monaco GP weekend, but the latest revelation from Horner puts a fresh perspective on the on-going row.

"We believe it is the responsibility of the entrant to comply with the regulations, so when it came to light that a test with the current car had taken place, our interpretation of the rules was that that was in clear breach of them. Therefore we raised a protest prior to the race for it to be dealt with by the FIA," the Red Bull Team Principal said during Friday's tense press conference.

"It is really an issue between the team and the FIA and obviously Pirelli have asked several teams to test - ourselves included - but we have declined to do so as we felt it wasn't in line with the regulations, certainly with the current car. So that is the situation, it has gone to the tribunal and we trust the FIA to make the appropriate decision regarding it.

"The important thing is that there needs to be absolute clarity in what you can do and what you can't do, what I testing and what isn't testing and I think that that is more crucial than anything to be fully resolved."

Mercedes have repeatedly stressed that they learned nothing from the test and simply assisted Pirelli during the running. However, Horner is adamant that amount of extra mileage will have been of major benefit to the team.

"I think that whenever you have limited testing with the rules written as they are, then when you run a current car with the amount of technology and the amount of data analysis there is then you are always learning - whether it is reliability, whether it be endurance, whether it be performance," he argued.

"So of course even if you are testing a component for another supplier you are learning. Formula 1 has moved an awfully long way over the last few years to ensure fairness and equality to all of the entrants and I think if a team does carry out an extra 1000km with a current car then you are going to learn something."

The fact that Mercedes' tyre test appeared to have been carried out in secret also angered Horner.

"I think the lack of transparency has been disappointing," he said.

"If a supplier has issues then they obviously have to deal with them, but if all entrants are supposedly equal, I think it is important that that information is made perfectly clear."
#361823
Ok now we hear that Merc got permission from Charlie W who is the FIA rep facing the teams on track.

Now we have seen before Charlie confirm something and then the team got busted anyway....but that was with the FIA flying tribunal system.

I suspect that with a proper independent tribunal chaired by Lawyers governed by international standards all Merc will say was Charlie gave us permission, heres the email, end of story

In fact I suspect thats why Ross is so confident;
Perelli asked RBR and other teams to do a test using 2013 car for saftey reasons. RBR said no, 'its against the regs' probably because they were risking a championship if it went wrong.
Pirelli then asked Merc (time was of the issue) who agreed, and who checked with the FIA (Charlie) who consented. After that only wrist slapping for sloppiness can be taken seriously, Pirelli didnt inform the FIa, Merc didnt say 'now we have the ok, we are doing it on this day' maybe the FIA didnt get an observer out there etc

Like when Mclaren asked Charlie if Lewis had given back the place to Kimi and Charlie said yes, yet McLaren got in trouble? if that had been an international tribunal it would have been laughed out of court. The FIA's man, in charge of the whole race gave a go ahead, and was later judged to have given misleading info?

As for RBR and their obviously flapping wings that could not be made to flap for a test, they are now whinging that they got invited but refused because its down to the team to interpret the spirit of the law correctly?

too funny
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By spankyham
#361837
I read on another forum claims that there Lewis/Nico used neutral helmets (not their regular ones) during the test. Does anyone have pics or info on that?
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By spankyham
#361838
This is probably not the best news for Pirelli to be publishing before their Tribunal hearing. Basically saying they can fix the tire problem without the need to change the structure of the tire (from steel to kevlar) with such a simple change would also imply they could do this without changing the aero data they have to supply teams and therefore mean they wouldn't need testing data (and therefore testing) to achieve this change.

 wrote:">Pirelli looking at glue solution rather than F1 tyre revisions


Pirelli will make a decision on Monday about whether or not it will use revised tyres from the British Grand Prix, with it now suggesting that a simple glue change may be enough to cure its delamination issues.

The Italian tyre company gave Formula 1 teams the opportunity to try out development rubber during free practice in Canada to assess what impact a new Kevlar-belt design would have on car performance.

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Pirelli has been chasing a cure for the delamination problems that blighted it earlier this season, and moving away from a steel belt was the original solution.

However, with resistance from a number of teams about returning to the Kevlar-belt concept, Pirelli has been working on an alternative solution which may now be used.

Speaking following the first tests of the development rubber in Canada on Friday, Hembery suggested that a simple change to the construction process of the tyres to incorporate the new glue could bring an end to the matter.

"There are a number of approaches," he said. "You will either get agreement from all teams, which I think you will have seen is unlikely to happen. But we have some other ideas which would keep us even closer to the current tyre.

"As time has passed, it has allowed us to do more work. We have developed some indoor testing, drum testing, which allows us to simulate the delaminations that we have seen.

"So we have been working on some process changes - in basic terms, the glue, to increase the adhesion between the components in the tyre.

"We have a few options and once we have today's results fully analysed we will sit down with teams and on Monday make a decision."

The tweak to the glue would unlikely be deemed to be a specification change to the tyre so would not require the unanimous approval of the teams – as is necessary if Pirelli wanted to introduce the Kevlar-belted tyres.

"The situation you have got is that you have a very large number of the teams that want no change at all, and are very insistent on that.

"So we are sat in the middle of one or two teams that would like to have a change, and the others who don't. We are trying to find something that is almost impossible - which is a consensus."

Hembery revealed that the new development rubber was operating at around 10-degrees Centigrade cooler than the steel belt version.
#361865
Perhaps it was the additional testing with the 2013 spec car that allowed them this revelation.

I've maintained all along that Nercedes would come out of this smelling of roses. RedBull is all butt hurt because they didn't act on something they thought was a loophole? Really? The team with front wings that flap didn't want to take advantage of a loophole? Spare me.

If anyone has blame in all of this it's the FIA. :whip:
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By racechick
#361910
RedBull acting all holier than thou. ' we were asked to test but didnt because its cheating' .......and you'd never do anything that came close to cheating eh Red Bull?
By Hammer278
#361912
Redbull are just scared sh*tless and resorted to whining since their age old strategy of getting an easy pole through flexi front wings and scampering off to victory, won't work anymore...since Mercedes has unveiled a beast of a car...which is also a beast to its tyres, so the real advantage is with Ferrari since Vettel can't run away too easy now.
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By spankyham
#361913
RedBull acting all holier than thou. ' we were asked to test but didnt because its cheating' .......and you'd never do anything that came close to cheating eh Red Bull?


Wasn't it Canada last year where they got caught with the hand adjustments to suspension after qualifying?
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By racechick
#361914
Yeah Mercedes lock out the front with their amazing one lap pace, stopping Vettel scampering away and Ferrari's good race pace gets in there. Red Bull no likee.
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By racechick
#361915
RedBull acting all holier than thou. ' we were asked to test but didnt because its cheating' .......and you'd never do anything that came close to cheating eh Red Bull?


Wasn't it Canada last year where they got caught with the hand adjustments to suspension after qualifying?


I believe it was.
#361919
So the box of wine I'd half done. Lots of pictures guys I'm going to try and pay some of them tonight.
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So the box of wine I'd half done. Lots of pictures guys I'm going to try and pay some of them tonight.

What are you paying for? Pictures? Tonight? With whom? Hotties? :hehe:
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By racechick
#361921
So the box of wine I'd half done. Lots of pictures guys I'm going to try and pay some of them tonight.

What are you paying for? Pictures? Tonight? With whom? Hotties? :hehe:


Yes. What's going on here WB. Are you drunk?
By Hammer278
#361922
So the box of wine I'd half done. Lots of pictures guys I'm going to try and pay some of them tonight.

What are you paying for? Pictures? Tonight? With whom? Hotties? :hehe:


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By vaptin
#361990
You guys must have watched a different qualifying, and looked at different championship standings and results to the ones I looked at.

Is it ironic that the people telling other people not to make up their minds already, are the ones who have made up their minds?
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