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[onelapdown]

Take a look at Massa and Kovalainen at the back of this picture:

It would appear to me that Massa is turning to avoid Kova, who he's looking at, even though there's clearly a bit of room, at exactly the point he should start accelerating into the second turn, and this may explain his spin. If you ask me he's not quite on top of that Ferrari yet as he either over-corrected or didn't predict how the loading on the tyres would affect his traction.

[stonemonkey]

Or maybe a bit too eager to take the position and forgot he didn't have TC until the wall told him?

[8-ball]

Massa had a bad race but he started badly last season and pulled out to race wins in a row to bounce back. Don't count him out!

[7UpJordan]

I think it's a combination of concentrating on where Kovalainen is and tyres not fully up to temperature yet.

[onelapdown]

All these things might play a part, but the bottom line is that I think either this year's Ferrari is not yet the easiest car to drive, or Kimi and Felipe have not yet got the hang of it properly.

[kezza7]

i think its a bit of focussing too hard on kovalinen and the cars behind rather than the turn, and with cold tires he had a moment and lost it

[Lem]

Massa had a bad race but he started badly last season and pulled out to race wins in a row to bounce back. Don't count him out!

Good point but he just isn't consistent enough for me. He not as good as Kimi but then isn't quite in the position of a number 2 who will bend over backwards to help him out in the WDC. One day he's the best on the grid, the next he's making rookie errors.

[Denthúl]

Massa had a bad race but he started badly last season and pulled out to race wins in a row to bounce back. Don't count him out!

Good point but he just isn't consistent enough for me. He not as good as Kimi but then isn't quite in the position of a number 2 who will bend over backwards to help him out in the WDC. One day he's the best on the grid, the next he's making rookie errors.

Reminds me, in a way, of Juan Pablo Montoya's performances. They were all over the place, too. But I do agree with you - that is his main downfall. If he performed at the same level all the time, he'd have a great shot at the title. I like seeing him win races

[racechick]

Massa had a bad race but he started badly last season and pulled out to race wins in a row to bounce back. Don't count him out!

Good point but he just isn't consistent enough for me. He not as good as Kimi but then isn't quite in the position of a number 2 who will bend over backwards to help him out in the WDC. One day he's the best on the grid, the next he's making rookie errors.

Reminds me, in a way, of Juan Pablo Montoya's performances. They were all over the place, too. But I do agree with you - that is his main downfall. If he performed at the same level all the time, he'd have a great shot at the title. I like seeing him win races

Juan Pablo was better!!!! He would have had a ball without traction!!! He just hated understeer.

[Denthúl]

Juan Pablo was better!!!! He would have had a ball without traction!!! He just hated understeer.

He was a good driver. But he was often let down by silly mistakes. Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T3qVj8IqGQ

:/

[racechick]

Juan Pablo was better!!!! He would have had a ball without traction!!! He just hated understeer.

He was a good driver. But he was often let down by silly mistakes. Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T3qVj8IqGQ

:/

Yes, not one of his better moments. Round the outside of Schuey in one of his first races ..now that was (Anyone got a vid of that? love to see it again).
IS not WAS-a good driver

[Denthúl]

I don't know which race you mean, but it could have been this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgy1NqCwx8Q

[mooker]

[quote="racechick]Juan Pablo was better!!!! He would have had a ball without traction!!! He just hated understeer.[/quote]

But didn't you have the hots for the tubby bloke? Hehehe

[racechick]

I don't know which race you mean, but it could have been this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgy1NqCwx8Q

I dont know which one I mean either but they were all brill!! Thanks! All those youtube ones where Juan goes past Michael are ACE! He is sooo good, Love the Imola press conference too

Hots for him Mooker? Well he is cute And he's NOT fat!! And best of all he made Schuey look soo ordinary

[7UpJordan]

Hots for him Mooker? Well he is cute And he's NOT fat!! And best of all he made Schuey look soo ordinary

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