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[LRW]

It added that under the terms of its contract with the tyre manufacturer it had allowed Pirelli to carry out some tyre development testing with a team, using a current car, "provided every team is offered the opportunity to do so".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22728232

My reading is if situation A exists (current car), provision B must exist for legality (providing every team the opportunity to do so). I don't read, provision B needing to be in place, when provision A isn't valid, but that doesn't mean provision B doesn't exist for a 2 year old car, just that as far as I understand, the FIA statement isn't telling us that is the case.

Also, Ferrari protested Mercedes tyre test, I hope they aren't crazy enough to do that if their own test was illegal.

Well the FiA obviously think something's up.....

[What's Burning?]

It added that under the terms of its contract with the tyre manufacturer it had allowed Pirelli to carry out some tyre development testing with a team, using a current car, "provided every team is offered the opportunity to do so".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22728232

My reading is if situation A exists (current car), provision B must exist for legality (providing every team the opportunity to do so). I don't read, provision B needing to be in place, when provision A isn't valid, but that doesn't mean provision B doesn't exist for a 2 year old car, just that as far as I understand, the FIA statement isn't telling us that is the case.

Also, Ferrari protested Mercedes tyre test, I hope they aren't crazy enough to do that if their own test was illegal.

Hasn't Pirelli stated they've repeatedly asked teams to volunteer for tests? Doesn't that qualify as telling the teams? We don't know about current cars or old cars but Mercedes asked the FiA and received approval to use the current car. That was in their official statement.

Funny you mention that about hoping Ferrari would not be crazy enough to run an illegal test, so why would Mercedes?

[darwin dali]

It added that under the terms of its contract with the tyre manufacturer it had allowed Pirelli to carry out some tyre development testing with a team, using a current car, "provided every team is offered the opportunity to do so".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22728232

My reading is if situation A exists (current car), provision B must exist for legality (providing every team the opportunity to do so). I don't read, provision B needing to be in place, when provision A isn't valid, but that doesn't mean provision B doesn't exist for a 2 year old car, just that as far as I understand, the FIA statement isn't telling us that is the case.

Also, Ferrari protested Mercedes tyre test, I hope they aren't crazy enough to do that if their own test was illegal.

Hasn't Pirelli stated they've repeatedly asked teams to volunteer for tests? Doesn't that qualify as telling the teams? We don't know about current cars or old cars but Mercedes asked the FiA and received approval to use the current car. That was in their official statement.

Funny you mention that about hoping Ferrari would not be crazy enough to run an illegal test, so why would Mercedes?

Because they were desperate?

[vaptin]

It added that under the terms of its contract with the tyre manufacturer it had allowed Pirelli to carry out some tyre development testing with a team, using a current car, "provided every team is offered the opportunity to do so".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22728232

My reading is if situation A exists (current car), provision B must exist for legality (providing every team the opportunity to do so). I don't read, provision B needing to be in place, when provision A isn't valid, but that doesn't mean provision B doesn't exist for a 2 year old car, just that as far as I understand, the FIA statement isn't telling us that is the case.

Also, Ferrari protested Mercedes tyre test, I hope they aren't crazy enough to do that if their own test was illegal.

Hasn't Pirelli stated they've repeatedly asked teams to volunteer for tests? Doesn't that qualify as telling the teams? We don't know about current cars or old cars but Mercedes asked the FiA and received approval to use the current car. That was in their official statement.

Funny you mention that about hoping Ferrari would not be crazy enough to run an illegal test, so why would Mercedes?

Ferrari protested Mercedes test, Mercedes kept quiet about it . . .

What official statement? Mercedes didn't specifically say they met all conditions, they say the other teams were informed, the other teams didn't seem so sure.

[Hammer278]

I'm wondering if what Mercedes did was so wrong, why only Ferrari and Redbull are protesting?

Do McLaren/Lotus/Force India/Williams/others with budgets for law suits have something to hide? lol

[spankyham]

I think Ferrari being asked for more info on their test is bad for Pirelli and Mercedes. IMO the FiA is checking up on them (P & M). It also gives Ferrari (one of the main protagonists) an opportunity to add more comments on Pirelli and Mercedes submissions so far.

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[vaptin]

I'm wondering if what Mercedes did was so wrong, why only Ferrari and Redbull are protesting?

Do McLaren/Lotus/Force India/Williams/others with budgets for law suits have something to hide? lol

Force India and Williams have budgets for Law suits?

Didn't Lotus make the biggest finical loss last year? Spending it on ice creams coke, and car parts

[What's Burning?]

I think Ferrari being asked for more info on their test is bad for Pirelli and Mercedes. IMO the FiA is checking up on them (P & M). It also gives Ferrari (one of the main protagonists) an opportunity to add more comments on Pirelli and Mercedes submissions so far.

I agree with you Spanky, but if you're going to dissipate something (like I feel this whole exercise by the FiA is) the more you spread it around the less there is to blame on any one singularity.

[What's Burning?]

It added that under the terms of its contract with the tyre manufacturer it had allowed Pirelli to carry out some tyre development testing with a team, using a current car, "provided every team is offered the opportunity to do so".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22728232

My reading is if situation A exists (current car), provision B must exist for legality (providing every team the opportunity to do so). I don't read, provision B needing to be in place, when provision A isn't valid, but that doesn't mean provision B doesn't exist for a 2 year old car, just that as far as I understand, the FIA statement isn't telling us that is the case.

Also, Ferrari protested Mercedes tyre test, I hope they aren't crazy enough to do that if their own test was illegal.

Hasn't Pirelli stated they've repeatedly asked teams to volunteer for tests? Doesn't that qualify as telling the teams? We don't know about current cars or old cars but Mercedes asked the FiA and received approval to use the current car. That was in their official statement.

Funny you mention that about hoping Ferrari would not be crazy enough to run an illegal test, so why would Mercedes?

Because they were desperate?

Both Pirelli and Mercedes have said the test didn't provide anything that would be of immediate value to Mercedes. That may all be smoke, but to be desperate, you have to be REALLy deperate to do something that would get you fined, and even banned from the WCC for the season. Mercedes are in a much better place already this year, troubles and all than they were last. Hamilton the other day said that Merc's issues with the car has been fundamental from the 2010 season, they're working on it, but not until they get a clean slate (meaning 2014) will they be able to correct their problem entirely. So I don't believe they'd risk so much to gain so little when they're already performing at the level they are currently.

I love how we love talking so much crap. Imagine this group at a bar?

[vaptin]

^^You mean the meetup?

[darwin dali]

It added that under the terms of its contract with the tyre manufacturer it had allowed Pirelli to carry out some tyre development testing with a team, using a current car, "provided every team is offered the opportunity to do so".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22728232

My reading is if situation A exists (current car), provision B must exist for legality (providing every team the opportunity to do so). I don't read, provision B needing to be in place, when provision A isn't valid, but that doesn't mean provision B doesn't exist for a 2 year old car, just that as far as I understand, the FIA statement isn't telling us that is the case.

Also, Ferrari protested Mercedes tyre test, I hope they aren't crazy enough to do that if their own test was illegal.

Hasn't Pirelli stated they've repeatedly asked teams to volunteer for tests? Doesn't that qualify as telling the teams? We don't know about current cars or old cars but Mercedes asked the FiA and received approval to use the current car. That was in their official statement.

Funny you mention that about hoping Ferrari would not be crazy enough to run an illegal test, so why would Mercedes?

Because they were desperate?

Both Pirelli and Mercedes have said the test didn't provide anything that would be of immediate value to Mercedes. That may all be smoke, but to be desperate, you have to be REALLy deperate to do something that would get you fined, and even banned from the WCC for the season. Mercedes are in a much better place already this year, troubles and all than they were last. Hamilton the other day said that Merc's issues with the car has been fundamental from the 2010 season, they're working on it, but not until they get a clean slate (meaning 2014) will they be able to correct their problem entirely. So I don't believe they'd risk so much to gain so little when they're already performing at the level they are currently.

I love how we love talking so much crap. Imagine this group at a bar?

Speak for yourself

[What's Burning?]

Watch it Mr. I mean Mrs whatever it is you are, or I may not show up to our next meet up.

[What's Burning?]

Is it possible? Ferrari would alter a 2011 spec car to be like a 20113 spec car for the testing they performed? Fascinating.

ESPNF1It is possible the FIA is investigating whether the Ferrari run at the Pirelli test "conforms substantially with the current Formula One technical regulations" despite being two years old.

I hope we get a ruling before Canada. I'd hate to attend a GP where there's a specter of FiA induced caca hanging overhead.

[Hammer278]

Is it possible? Ferrari would alter a 2011 spec car to be like a 20113 spec car for the testing they performed? Fascinating.

ESPNF1It is possible the FIA is investigating whether the Ferrari run at the Pirelli test "conforms substantially with the current Formula One technical regulations" despite being two years old.

I hope we get a ruling before Canada. I'd hate to attend a GP where there's a specter of FiA induced caca hanging overhead.

Of course its possible. Modifying an old chassis to somehow correlate with the 2013 spec chassis in some ways....and they had preparation time for it. Mercedes didn't since Pirelli asked them on the spot to test tyres which aren't even used this year.

Maybe this was Mercedes hitting back and Ferrari are having to pay for their tongue lashing.

[vaptin]

It is possible the FIA are about to exclude Ferrari from the WCC, its possible they are about to release a statement declaring love for Ferrari.

That article offers no evidence or reasoning, it just says "is is possible".

Also, I think this new inquiry, is in relation not to the breach of the sporting code, but is for the teams to provide information in relation to what Perelli have told the FIA, I think this one is regarding Perelli's contract with the FIA.