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[kezza7]

fernando will join ferrari in 1-2 years, that will be a fair battle against mclaren but...

not unless Stefano Domenicali, who im sure is being led by jean todt relinqueshes raikkonen, ferrari don't do equal status for drivers, and they would have been put off by Alonso at mclaren in '07

[Gibraltar is Spain]

you may be right but i don't believe kimi is the future for ferrari and there are no big champs around for il cavallino rampante

[al4x]

alonso in a ferrari would be better than kimi imo, but id rather not see him there!

having alonso means you will only be having 1 good driver, and now there are soo many good drivers, ie mclaren with 2, bmw with 2, your gonna want a team that can work with 2 to win the championship, mclaren obviously wont want him, will BMW?

[McLaren Fan]

do you mean holding up hamilton? if so that lost him the championship

Well, no, not really. His crash at Fuji along with various off-track excursions cost him the title. That and not being fast enough.

Some examples:
Hungary in the Qualifiying, Japan with the safety car (Vettel and Webber), Nurburgring with the "crane"... and undirectly he was benefited by the "Alonso topic".

Utter tripe. The safety car incident was shown not be his fault. The video evidence shows it was Vettel overcooking the corner and ploughing right into the back of Webber. Indeed, that was Webber's original story, until he wanted to seem a important driver. The crane incident was well within the rules as well.

alonso in a ferrari would be better than kimi imo, but id rather not see him there!

having alonso means you will only be having 1 good driver, and now there are soo many good drivers, ie mclaren with 2, bmw with 2, your gonna want a team that can work with 2 to win the championship, mclaren obviously wont want him, will BMW?

Alonso gives more to a team than perform well in races. He's an excellent test driver as well. That's where Raikkonen lacks. Alonso does well when he is the number one. When things are equal, he doesn't like it, and we know what happens then.

[al4x]

i still think that if teams had one driver only, alonso would be the best choice on the grid

[McLaren Fan]

i still think that if teams had one driver only, alonso would be the best choice on the grid

I agree. Whilst I don't think he has the race speed of Raikkonen, he is committed and, as I said, is excellent at car setup and development. I don't think it would be unfair to say be is the best all rounder. I would say when Hamilton, Vettel, Rosberg and Kubica get another year or two's experience, they will be the best drivers on the grid. Out of them, Hamilton, for me, is possibly the best, for he seems to be mentally the strongest.

[mooker]

The safety car was not cheating as was proven by the stewards inquiry.
The crane was legal as the rules stood then.
Hungary qualifying he disobeyed team orders(and later apologised) but that does not constitute cheating

This discussion depends on the view that each one wants to see. One person can say that Hamilton hasn't cheated and another person can say that Alonso hasn't cheated (is the same as you said). Or another can say that both of them has cheated. Each one have an opinion.

The rules are the rules. Break them and you've cheated. Its not down to personal interpretation of the rules, and Hamilton didn't officially break any of them last year.

If you watch the clip of the safety car incident again (the Youtube spectator clip) you can see quite clearly that Webber was trying to push Hamilton into a mistake. IMO MW was the one that messed up that situation as he took his eye off the safety car while watching where LH went, he then braked hard to avoid the safety car while LH went off onto the karting line for more grip. SV was also watch LH and didn't see MW braking and took them both out. Not Hamiltons fault.