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[CookinFlat6]

For me Merc have exploited the gap between the 'no testing for teams' regulation and the 'pirelli safety mandate'
I cannot see any sanction for Merc when RBR, the whistle blowers have similarly tested the patience of the FIA scribes

The biggest question that no one seems to be asking is 'which driver(s) took part? if it was not a current driver then Pirelli can surely use the safety angle as a trump card. If however it was one of the dream team then there will be a few questions

And if it was one of the current drivers it would make sense for it to be Nico

[FerrariFan63]

There are plenty of facts out in the open concerning this case already. But there seems to be quite a few people trying to pretend that there isn't.

You take something you read on the internet as fact?

That entirely depends on who posted it and where it is. As you full well know, there are reliable sources and unreliable sources. Since we're talking about what conditions the FIA put on Pirelli concerning testing with 2013 cars, a FIA press release is a reliable source.

[What's Burning?]

There are plenty of facts out in the open concerning this case already. But there seems to be quite a few people trying to pretend that there isn't.

You take something you read on the internet as fact?

That entirely depends on who posted it and where it is. As you full well know, there are reliable sources and unreliable sources. Since we're talking about what conditions the FIA put on Pirelli concerning testing with 2013 cars, a FIA press release is a reliable source.

Nixon also said he wasn't a crook. You're using FiA and reliable in the same sentence, you realize that? I'm of the opinion that they're looking to throw someone under the bus, I hope there isn't a piece of paper being held by someone that makes the FiA look very foolish after all this.

[andrew]

Apologies if this has been covered already, but who asked who for the test? Did Merc do the asking or Pirelli?

[racechick]

Pirelli ask for the test.

[What's Burning?]

Pirelli ask for the test.

more like begged and pleaded.

[spankyham]

This interview was given in Monaco on Thursday - after they had completed the testing with Merc but before the tire testing saga came to light. Hembery was clearly and deliberately misleading the press and public. I think he has to go.

 wrote:">F1: Testing After Races Ideal For Pirelli, Says Hembery

One of the great mysteries of the ongoing Mercedes testing saga is how and why both the team and Pirelli kept it a secret when it was inevitably going to come to light at some stage.

Paul Hembery had a chat with a group of journalists in Monaco in Thursday, when the subject of testing came up. At no point in that session or the lengthy FIA press conference that preceded it did Hembery offer any hint that a test had taken place, despite extensive discussion.



However when asked what would be the ideal solution to the lack of opportunities for Pirelli to test, he offered what in retrospect is an interesting insight into why the Barcelona session was so valuable.

“Obviously when you’ve got a benchmark from a race, it’s ideal to go testing, because you’ll have fresh data,” he said. “If you could stay on with a couple of teams, and you could rotate them – that’s not really the issue – then you’re in a better situation, because you’ve got representative data, hopefully you’ve got the drivers that have just driven the race, and you can actually do some valuable testing. That would be the dream, but I’m not sure if that’s ever going to happen.”

As we know now just such a test had taken place the previous week.

[LRW]

This interview was given in Monaco on Thursday - after they had completed the testing with Merc but before the tire testing saga came to light. Hembery was clearly and deliberately misleading the press and public. I think he has to go.

 wrote:">F1: Testing After Races Ideal For Pirelli, Says Hembery

One of the great mysteries of the ongoing Mercedes testing saga is how and why both the team and Pirelli kept it a secret when it was inevitably going to come to light at some stage.

Paul Hembery had a chat with a group of journalists in Monaco in Thursday, when the subject of testing came up. At no point in that session or the lengthy FIA press conference that preceded it did Hembery offer any hint that a test had taken place, despite extensive discussion.



However when asked what would be the ideal solution to the lack of opportunities for Pirelli to test, he offered what in retrospect is an interesting insight into why the Barcelona session was so valuable.

“Obviously when you’ve got a benchmark from a race, it’s ideal to go testing, because you’ll have fresh data,” he said. “If you could stay on with a couple of teams, and you could rotate them – that’s not really the issue – then you’re in a better situation, because you’ve got representative data, hopefully you’ve got the drivers that have just driven the race, and you can actually do some valuable testing. That would be the dream, but I’m not sure if that’s ever going to happen.”

As we know now just such a test had taken place the previous week.

Well if I was nit picking, I would say no it didnt just happened. He said "If you could stay on with a couple of teams, and you could rotate them – " That never happened.

But I wouldn't be that pedantic.

[LRW]

More rumour and speculation by the bored media for us all to feast upon....

Leaked letter reveals teams were warned last year against staging in-season test



A leaked letter has revealed that all the F1 teams, including Mercedes, were explicitly warned that no in-season testing would be permitted despite the provision for Pirelli to run 1,000km of tyre-testing.

The letter, reputedly sent out last April by the Formula One Teams' Association and published in The Daily Telegraph, makes plain that a 'tyre test' could only be staged with the unanimous support of all the teams.

It is the latest twist in a saga that erupted on the morning of Sunday's Monaco GP when news broke that Mercedes, subsequent victors in Monte Carlo, had held a three-day test with Pirelli in the week after the Spanish GP.

Although Mercedes insisted the test was within the rules, the letter declares that there is no scope with the regulations for a private test to be held unilaterally.

The letter stated: "Pirelli is entitled under the terms of their agreement with the FIA to offer teams 1,000km of tyre-testing, subject to each team being treated equally. However, there are no provisions within the sporting regulations for such testing to take place in-season."

Mercedes' rivals are adamant that a breach of the regulations has been committed, with Red Bull boss Christian Horner describing the test as "underhand" and Ferrari Team Principal Stefano Domenicali arguing: "There is not a doubt the 2013 car was used and, as is written in the regulations, the two previous years' cars cannot be used in the season in this way."

On Sunday night, the FIA published its own statement which declared that the test had not been approved and would have only been ratified if it had been run by Pirelli with all the other teams offered an equal opportunity to participate.

The matter could now be passed on to the FIA's International Tribunal with a wide range of sanctions available to the governing body if Mercedes are found guilty of transgressing the rules from a swingeing fine to a points deduction.

[racechick]

So the FIA have supposedly said teams categorically can't test but they've told Pirelli they can test. Sounds like the FIA.

[darwin dali]

So the FIA have supposedly said teams categorically can't test but they've told Pirelli they can test. Sounds like the FIA.

However, there are no provisions within the sporting regulations for such testing to take place in-season."

[What's Burning?]

So the FIA have supposedly said teams categorically can't test but they've told Pirelli they can test. Sounds like the FIA.

However, there are no provisions within the sporting regulations for such testing to take place in-season."

Aren't you curious to find out which FIA member's name is on this approval Pirelli and Mercedes received?

[1Lemon]

So the FIA have supposedly said teams categorically can't test but they've told Pirelli they can test. Sounds like the FIA.

However, there are no provisions within the sporting regulations for such testing to take place in-season."

Aren't you curious to find out which FIA member's name is on this approval Pirelli and Mercedes received?

Niki Lauder.

[racechick]

So the FIA have supposedly said teams categorically can't test but they've told Pirelli they can test. Sounds like the FIA.

However, there are no provisions within the sporting regulations for such testing to take place in-season."

So why give permission for Pirelli to conduct 1000k of in season testing?

[What's Burning?]

They're trying to do two things... not incur the wrath of the other teams, and project whatever incompetency was exhibited by the FiA, towards Mercedes and Pirelli.

A piece of FiA paper with a signature on it will go a long way towards the truth on the matter. I really do hope that piece of paper exists.