FORUMula1.com - F1 Forum

[f1boy]

I think Lewis will win in Canada. Yes, you heard it here first.

Right, I'm off to walk me Bulldog puppy...........or I might just have another bottle......

[LewEngBridewell]

Well you have to be pissed to get through the races this season.

Ohhh you Scroooooooooooooooooge

[andrew]

Well you have to be pissed to get through the races this season.

Ohhh you Scroooooooooooooooooge

Scrouge?! Being pissed means spending money to get pissed! Quite a lot if I remember correctly.

[What's Burning?]

I think Lewis will win in Canada. Yes, you heard it here first.

Right, I'm off to walk me Bulldog puppy...........or I might just have another bottle......

I thought I heard that in the first post of this thread.

[f1boy]

Merc need the car sales.....Pirelli need to sell tyres to all the new Merc owners.

[spankyham]

Ross probably can't wipe the smile off his face. You've got to assume he had fia approval so their hands are pretty much tired.
That being the case it is a stupid move to protest by Red Bull and Ferrari which will probably lead to an fia clarification banning Any similar future tests.
Big grins at merc and for those who don't realise - welcome to f1

[Denthúl]

Ross probably can't wipe the smile off his face. You've got to assume he had fia approval so their hands are pretty much tired.
That being the case it is a stupid move to protest by Red Bull and Ferrari which will probably lead to an fia clarification banning Any similar future tests.
Big grins at merc and for those who don't realise - welcome to f1

Perhaps not. Adam Cooper posted this...



:/

[darwin dali]

Ross probably can't wipe the smile off his face. You've got to assume he had fia approval so their hands are pretty much tired.
That being the case it is a stupid move to protest by Red Bull and Ferrari which will probably lead to an fia clarification banning Any similar future tests.
Big grins at merc and for those who don't realise - welcome to f1

Perhaps not. Adam Cooper posted this...



:/

Oops, smoking gun...

[What's Burning?]

And how does any of this implicate Mercedes as a culprit? If anything it shows that Pirelli is the one acting on its own accord.

[vaptin]

And how does any of this implicate Mercedes as a culprit? If anything it shows that Pirelli is the one acting on its own accord.

It says they were both advised.

How did Perrelli get a Mercedes car, plus Rosberg and Hamilton of their own accord?

[darwin dali]

And how does any of this implicate Mercedes as a culprit? If anything it shows that Pirelli is the one acting on its own accord.

Well, the fact that no other team was partaking in the test should have made Mercedes suspicious about testing being offered to all the teams, so that particular stipulation was obviously violated and Mercedes should have at least contacted the FIA.

[What's Burning?]

And how does any of this implicate Mercedes as a culprit? If anything it shows that Pirelli is the one acting on its own accord.

Well, the fact that no other team was partaking in the test should have made Mercedes suspicious about testing being offered to all the teams, so that particular stipulation was obviously violated and Mercedes should have at least contacted the FIA.

It still doesn't mean it was the responsibility of Mercedes to check or notify the FIA that Pirelli was carrying out the test, legally it's thin to say the least that any action can be taken against Mercedes.

The document already hints at the solution. Make the same test available to everyone else.

[darwin dali]

And how does any of this implicate Mercedes as a culprit? If anything it shows that Pirelli is the one acting on its own accord.

Well, the fact that no other team was partaking in the test should have made Mercedes suspicious about testing being offered to all the teams, so that particular stipulation was obviously violated and Mercedes should have at least contacted the FIA.

It still doesn't mean it was the responsibility of Mercedes to check or notify the FIA that Pirelli was carrying out the test, legally it's thin to say the least that any action can be taken against Mercedes.

The document already hints at the solution. Make the same test available to everyone else.

Yes, it was also the responsibility of Mercedes to notify the FIA as they were to gain an advantage over their competition if the competition was excluded from the test. Their actions were against the full sporting equity which they (Pirelli AND Mercedes) were expressively reminded of by the FIA's response to Pirelli's request.

[vaptin]

And how does any of this implicate Mercedes as a culprit? If anything it shows that Pirelli is the one acting on its own accord.

Well, the fact that no other team was partaking in the test should have made Mercedes suspicious about testing being offered to all the teams, so that particular stipulation was obviously violated and Mercedes should have at least contacted the FIA.

It still doesn't mean it was the responsibility of Mercedes to check or notify the FIA that Pirelli was carrying out the test, legally it's thin to say the least that any action can be taken against Mercedes.

The document already hints at the solution. Make the same test available to everyone else.

Yeah, but it says equal conditions, which means all teams should have been able to test at the same time, so someone has up if that document is correct.

Surely, as competitors, Mercedes' do have a responsibility to ensure they are complying with the regulations, the thing is, I guess Mercedes maybe weren't involved in the test, other than car or drivers, which seems to be permitted, and the regulations in question are the FIA's contract with Perrelli? Or is a breach of the sporting regulations? I am pretty sure Mercedes have a duty to ensure they are requiring with the latter, regardless of Perelli's involvement.

[What's Burning?]

I don't see any of that in writing and we don't know what the Pirelli contract states on the basis of a SAFETY test. You guys are quoting stuff you're effectively making up. Whether right or wrong, it's not Mercedes' responsibility to make arrangements for Pirelli if it's Pirelli that's running the test. Brawn seems pretty confident, so I doubt there's anything the FIA can make stick with teeth, hence the formation of a 'solution'. I also don't see that document printed on legal letterhead so until we've got a factual ruling all we're doing is playing our conjecture roles.

You could say just as much it's the responsibility of the FIA to keep tabs on testing being done by Pirelli and they didn't so why is it Mercedes responsibility to question if Pirelli went about their test the right way with the right approvals when they're simply providing a car? (because it's even unclear if they provided a driver)

EDIT: Mercedes did use a current unnamed driver.