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[manmonkee]

I think I might be an idiot, Theres a lot about F1 I'm just not getting, People are always harping on about how great Trulli and Webber are ( Don't want to open that Kettle of Fish) and in the GP today, James Allen said That Heidfeld was always slower than his team mate but was doing alright despite, Now to be fair he did qualify behind Kubica but he did have a heavier fuel load, And he was in front of Kubica after starting behind and pumping in consistently faster lap times, There seems to be some guys who can do no wrong and some guys who no matter how fast they drive will never get the kudos.

[McLaren Fan]

I cannot agree entirely. I think Webber does have a lot of ability, but not the luck. Trulli is good at qualifying, but has no race pace. Kubica is probably slightly faster than Heidfeld, but Heidfeld has the experience and better race craft. My problems with Allen are his decadent bias and ludicrous statements, generally pertaining to British drivers, now Hamilton (whilst Coulthard and Button were quickly forgotten about).

[texasmr2]

I think I might be an idiot, Theres a lot about F1 I'm just not getting, People are always harping on about how great Trulli and Webber are ( Don't want to open that Kettle of Fish) and in the GP today, James Allen said That Heidfeld was always slower than his team mate but was doing alright despite, Now to be fair he did qualify behind Kubica but he did have a heavier fuel load, And he was in front of Kubica after starting behind and pumping in consistently faster lap times, There seems to be some guys who can do no wrong and some guys who no matter how fast they drive will never get the kudos.

Welcome to the narrow mindedness of F1 fan's. Some will never, even with their last breath on earth, ever admit to having even the slightest respect for another driver or team. It is basically the downfall imho of every great sport.

Just as an example I will be watching the Houston Texan's football team with my crew and if I say 'daym what I great pass, catch or play ' from the other team I'm basically frowned upon, but I know they love me so it's all good. Respect the overall performance of every team and driver and you will never have a bad race, give respect where it is due and dont be a 'onesided narrowminded team/driver fan' and screw what anyone else think's! They have their agenda and so do you.

I have confused myself so just be true to the sport and you will be alot happier imho. I'm a tried and true Ferrari fan but can respect when they are schooled such as they were this weekend.

[manmonkee]

The Webber thing is something to ponder on, can a mans luck be so bad for so many years??, does a man make his own luck??, When faced with decent team mates why does he always out qualify them but always end up with less points, Is he that unlucky or does it say more for his team mates that they manage to make up the places they've been out qualified by and STILL outpoint him. If Webber does have a remarkable skill what does it take to draw that skill out because at the moment it seems like drawing blood from a stone.
And as for the Blinkered view of F1 presenters, I don't know what you mean???? ......... but hope you tune in the the Lewis Hamilton show next week.

[texasmr2]

And as for the Blinkered view of F1 presenters, I don't know what you mean???? ......... but hope you tune in the the Lewis Hamilton show next week.

Good one!!!

[7UpJordan]

Trulli is badly overrated because of his Senna-esque qualifying skills, his race pace is rubbish and always makes poor starts. Webber has the talent, but bad luck and an unsympathetic driving style at times, hence so many of his DNF's.

[racechick]

I cannot agree entirely. I think Webber does have a lot of ability, but not the luck. Trulli is good at qualifying, but has no race pace. Kubica is probably slightly faster than Heidfeld, but Heidfeld has the experience and better race craft. My problems with Allen are his decadent bias and ludicrous statements, generally pertaining to British drivers, now Hamilton (whilst Coulthard and Button were quickly forgotten about).

Not lewis' fault if the press and commentators idolise him, hes still the best driver out there. He dislikes the press attention and has given only a couple of interviews in the pre season . Coulthard is average but very experienced and always moaning. Jenson had lots of press when he started but nothing happenned(through no fault of his own). Davidson appears to have the ability but has not had chance to show it. Lewis is the British driver with talent in abundance, an excellent marketing package and proven results, of course the press will hound him but give him a break he doesnt ask for it.

[deMuRe]

British F1 fan's are thirsty for a World Champion, finally someone has come along and he also brings a whole new demographic into Bernie's minions of couch potatoes. The public can't get enough of Hamilton at the moment, it's just supply and demand.

Doesn't mean I'm not sick of the press constantly asking for his opinion like he's a seasoned racing driver, there are infinitely more experienced drivers out there that don't get a tenth of the camera time Hamilton is getting at the moment.

[phren]

British F1 fan's are thirsty for a World Champion, finally someone has come along and he also brings a whole new demographic into Bernie's minions of couch potatoes. The public can't get enough of Hamilton at the moment, it's just supply and demand.

Doesn't mean I'm not sick of the press constantly asking for his opinion like he's a seasoned racing driver, there are infinitely more experienced drivers out there that don't get a tenth of the camera time Hamilton is getting at the moment.

I must have missed something, maybe because we only get the race from the UK (no build up, mid week profiles just the race). I hardly saw Hamilton for the whole race, even Blundel comented on the fact. I did see every FIAt pit stop and even a number of slow motion shots of FIAts cornering.

[Denthúl]

The Webber thing is something to ponder on, can a mans luck be so bad for so many years??

Remember Johnny Herbert? His luck was terrible.

[AKR]

I cannot agree entirely. I think Webber does have a lot of ability, but not the luck. Trulli is good at qualifying, but has no race pace. Kubica is probably slightly faster than Heidfeld, but Heidfeld has the experience and better race craft. My problems with Allen are his decadent bias and ludicrous statements, generally pertaining to British drivers, now Hamilton (whilst Coulthard and Button were quickly forgotten about).

That last part I agree with and it shitts me when watching F1 on English Language TV. At least when in Italy, Slovenija and Croatia I do not have to put up with Allen's bullshitt biased comments. And I agree that Webber is the unluckiest driver in the whole wide world.

[AKR]

British F1 fan's are thirsty for a World Champion, finally someone has come along and he also brings a whole new demographic into Bernie's minions of couch potatoes. The public can't get enough of Hamilton at the moment, it's just supply and demand.

Doesn't mean I'm not sick of the press constantly asking for his opinion like he's a seasoned racing driver, there are infinitely more experienced drivers out there that don't get a tenth of the camera time Hamilton is getting at the moment.

I must have missed something, maybe because we only get the race from the UK (no build up, mid week profiles just the race). I hardly saw Hamilton for the whole race, even Blundel comented on the fact. I did see every FIAt pit stop and even a number of slow motion shots of FIAts cornering.

It is called FERRARI not Fiat, get it right. Just because they own it, it doesn't make them a Fiat unless Fiat choose to get rid of the Ferrari name which they will not. So does this mean when Juventus plays football against say AC Milan that it really is a game of football between Fiat Vs AC Milan? Fiat afterall owns Juventus like they do Ferrari. How ironic hey that Fiat owns the greatest F1 team in the world (Ferrari) and the greatest football club in the world (Juventus, the only club to have ever won at least one of all major European and world tournaments/championships in the world).

[Mikep99]

I must have missed something, maybe because we only get the race from the UK (no build up, mid week profiles just the race). I hardly saw Hamilton for the whole race, even Blundel comented on the fact. I did see every FIAt pit stop and even a number of slow motion shots of FIAts cornering.

FIAts HA HA HA you’re a clown mate and so witty. I might start referring to you as Bozo from now on.

I agree it does look like you did miss something, the FIAts were in the celebrate race, you should pay more attention next time.
Their were FERRARI’s in the F1 race though.
You know that Italian team that races in Red & is majority owned and bankrolled by Fiat but is run totally autonomously from the Ferrari road car division. Rings any bells yet You know the most famous and successful team there is that from day one has done everything in house at a little place called Maranello, right down to even forging their own engine components. You got it yet

They are really nothing like that once British team that is now a British / German team that was also a British/Japanese team & also a British/French team & also very briefly in 1993 heaven forbid contemplated being a British/Italian team.

That being said McLaren is a great team & from what we have seen this weekend will be the team to beat in 2008.
So grow up & stop letting jealousy cloud your mind and trying to feebly trivialize Ferrari’s achievements as a F1 constructor.


You remind me of that other guy who has bolded years in his footer.

[manmonkee]

The Webber thing is something to ponder on, can a mans luck be so bad for so many years??

Remember Johnny Herbert? His luck was terrible.

Thats's the truth, when was it?, 1998?, Brazil think??, he waved his team mate Alesi past in the wet and when he took his hand of the wheel the car suddenly shot off into the gravel.

[scotty]

Heidfeld is a good all around driver, with great consistency to boot. He would deserve it if he won a race this season.

Webber and Trulli are stupendously fast over one lap, however i think Webber's 'bad luck' must be related to him being hard on car parts. I remember reading an interview where he said the properties of these Bridgestone tyres do not suit his driving style during the races, whereas the old Michelins did. That sounds lame but it made more sense reading the whole article.

You know who was a great driver? Oliver Panis. He would have won more than 1 race were it not for his accident at montreal '97.