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[What's Burning?]

I disagree hammer, no one is born a racist or homophobic. It's a learned behavior.

[LRW]

However, if someone pissed me off/upset me in anyway....I don't think I can stop my head from digging into personal stuff/thinking racist or homophobic stuff about the person

Really?

If someone upsets me/ pisses me off, I dont dislike them because of their race or sexual orientation. I dislike them because they are a sausage!

[Hammer278]

Well yeah bcause they are a d!ck but what I'm trying to put across is that deep down you've learned to discriminate people in many ways thanks to our environment/media/etc. And they can come to the surface when you're provoked. I'm talking about thoughts, not things you say out loud...are you guys saying you've never had any racist/homophobic thoughts? Surely so, but are you able to train yourself to completely un-learn these thoughts/ideas? I find it very very difficult personally, but maybe some people can.

[LRW]

Well yeah bcause they are a d!ck but what I'm trying to put across is that deep down you've learned to discriminate people in many ways thanks to our environment/media/etc. And they can come to the surface when you're provoked. I'm talking about thoughts, not things you say out loud...are you guys saying you've never had any racist/homophobic thoughts? Surely so, but are you able to train yourself to completely un-learn these thoughts/ideas? I find it very very difficult personally, but maybe some people can.

I see what you are saying, and my hats off to you for admitting it in an open forum such as this. I dont think many others would.

I can honestly say, I never have had racist/homophobic thoughts like that. Maybe I was just lucky in the environment I was brought up in?

[mnmracer]

Depends how you define homophobic. Like I said, when you're upset with someone, you look for a stick to beat someone with. If a gay guy is an asshole to me, I might call him a faggot. If he isn't gay, I might call him another trait. Nothing to do with homophobic, just with that person and his behavior specifically.

[LRW]

Depends how you define homophobic. Like I said, when you're upset with someone, you look for a stick to beat someone with. If a gay guy is an asshole to me, I might call him a faggot. If he isn't gay, I might call him another trait. Nothing to do with homophobic, just with that person and his behavior specifically.

So if a guy with brown hair drove past and cut you up, would you shout "get out the way you hair-the-colour-of-s*** asshole?

[What's Burning?]

Cursing someone out can be so satisfying. ...and be completely devoid of prejudice.

[mnmracer]

Cursing someone out can be so satisfying. ...and be completely devoid of prejudice.

Exactly.

[mnmracer]

Depends how you define homophobic. Like I said, when you're upset with someone, you look for a stick to beat someone with. If a gay guy is an asshole to me, I might call him a faggot. If he isn't gay, I might call him another trait. Nothing to do with homophobic, just with that person and his behavior specifically.

So if a guy with brown hair drove past and cut you up, would you shout "get out the way you hair-the-colour-of-s*** asshole?

I usually don't go by looks things.
But for instance a woman blowing smoke in my face, I usually think (don't usually voice it, I'm not that kinda guy) 'kankerhoer'. She sells her body (whore) to cancer.

Doesn't mean I hate smokers -my best friend is one-, but if you're being an bottom, I will think those things.

[LRW]

Cursing someone out can be so satisfying. ...and be completely devoid of prejudice.

Exactly.

So, in theory then, could I call someone a "black c*nt" and it be devoid of prejudice?

(Im not trying to be controversial, or insinuate either of you would use that phrase, Im just trying to understand your viewpoint)

[LRW]

I usually don't go by looks things.

Why not looks?

But for instance a woman blowing smoke in my face, I usually think (don't usually voice it, I'm not that kinda guy) 'kankerhoer'. She sells her body (whore) to cancer.

Doesn't mean I hate smokers -my best friend is one-, but if you're being an bottom, I will think those things.

I think smokers are different though. To an extent, they chose (or choose) to be a smoker, and so to insult them on it, is different to insult them on a trait they have no choice in.

[What's Burning?]

Cursing someone out can be so satisfying. ...and be completely devoid of prejudice.

Exactly.

So, in theory then, could I call someone a "black c*nt" and it be devoid of prejudice?

(Im not trying to be controversial, or insinuate either of you would use that phrase, Im just trying to understand your viewpoint)

It depends on the reasoning. If you're calling that person because they were doing something that was perceived as a stereotypical affirmation of the prejudice and you called them that for that reason,then it would be. If you called them that because they cut you off in traffic, and you called them the same thing, then it wouldn't. So context plays a part.

[racechick]

Depends how you define homophobic. Like I said, when you're upset with someone, you look for a stick to beat someone with. If a gay guy is an asshole to me, I might call him a faggot. If he isn't gay, I might call him another trait. Nothing to do with homophobic, just with that person and his behavior specifically.

If someone pissed me off I'd call them a d!ckhead, or give them the finger. I wouldn't call them a faggot, or a black
Ba s tard. People can behave appallinglly regardless of their colour or sexual orientation, why call them out on that?
And you wonder why gay drivers don't come out?
It's not the same as liking or disliking someone, it's liking or disliking someone for reasons completely out of their control.

[andrew]

Beverly Turner says about a lot of this in her book "The Pitts"

To be fair when I read the book I took most of it to be sour grapes

Which is exactly what clouds the discussion.
Imagine if Rubens Barrichello was a gay black muslim woman...

Then Rubens Barrichello would be a really odd name.

He could have converted.

I can honestly say, I never have had racist/homophobic thoughts like that. Maybe I was just lucky in the environment I was brought up in?

Really? I find that quite amazing.

[What's Burning?]

isn't it refreshing to hate someone for who they are and not what they are?