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[Stephen]

Whilst i'm all for looking after our environment, I don't believe the global warming/co2 argument. The fact that the whole subject has been renamed Climate Change to suit areas which are experiencing a drop in temperatures only strengthens my view that its all a load of hot air. The media and government have gone too far now to admit they've made a mistake, and with investment only awarded to those scientists wishing to continue the lie, what hope is there?

Some facts though:
Mars and other planets are warming too (they have no 4x4s or heavy industry)
A number of leading scientists have left the IPCC after seeing the truth
The planets temperature has always fluctuated (the UK used to be a tropical swamp, but has also been covered with glaciers during iceages)

The whole business is a 'convenient lie'.

[al4x]

its the rate at which the climate is changing thats important, its much easier to adapt to a gradual change, but this is rapid, and increasing in speed,

the hole in the ozone layer is particularly disturbing as most well know by now, that has never disappeared, if it did, that would be it

human activity is damaging the environment, how much, id say more than we can cope with, theres a whole series of events which are likely to occur once the serious shifting gets underway, like a cascade, each event starts another and makes things worse

[bud]

Ive read an article about Mars "global warming" the thin atmosphere there doesnt trap heat well at all, and its climate is affected largely by the dust storms that occur there. but to suggest some measurements taken from a few Probes every in 3 decades and compare it to Earth climate data which we have shitloads on going back millions of years isnt good science.
We are still learning about Mars and its climate so to see changes to our past data about it would be normal.... In science you ALWAYS get some who dispute the wide held belief, eg even now some palaentologists wont buy into the Bird/Dinosaur lineage even with fossil dinours being found with feathers.

and again i will say this, the earth has evolved it is an ecoystem and we pump all these gases into the atmosphere at an un natural rate (like racechick has said about methane from livestock which being domesticated arent apart of the natural ecosystem) it WILL affect the ecosystem. Its like saying a smoker wont get affected by smoke in his lungs.

Newton every action has a reaction! good or bad!

[Stephen]

its the rate at which the climate is changing thats important, its much easier to adapt to a gradual change, but this is rapid, and increasing in speed

And if it is, how do we know we/CO2 are to blame?

[al4x]

because its a green house gas and the concentration of it is going up, alot, since the industrial revolutions of the world

[darwin dali]

Well whatever is right i think we should clean our air up (are you listening China and USA) Much nicer to breathe fresh air

What about you Brits? The air pollution from Britain's industry gets blown to Scandinavia and kills thousands of lake ecosystems in form of acid rain.

[racechick]

Well whatever is right i think we should clean our air up (are you listening China and USA) Much nicer to breathe fresh air

What about you Brits? The air pollution from Britain's industry gets blown to Scandinavia and kills thousands of lake ecosystems in form of acid rain.

Well if thats true thats bad as well but i believed we'd taken some measures to slow down pollution-signed up to(whats it called?) China are polluting badly at the moment and the US dont want to play ball. Its the scale of it and Britain are at least addressing the issue

[Mr.Conte]

You really want to do something that will tremendously reduce smog / greenhouse gas / adnausium?
Go to China and India and stop them from using 40% of the worlds energy while they are going through their industrial age.
OPEN your eyes and see where the MOST contaminants are being born.
Leave F1 alone; it has no responsibility to the world to be the spokes person for cars running with solar cells or wind mills or veggie fuel, etc.
It is about RACING.
It's about developing the most sophisticated race cars in the world and RACING them.
Not parading around 45 mph achieving only 1 pit stop to measure how much energy they saved for the last 20 laps.
It always amazes me how human beings feel obligated to tell others how to manage / run their lives.
Lots of people are like leeches, looking for some thing to jump on an suck the life out of it for their twisted and confused ideas.
You greenie beings, focus on un controlled industrialization in emerging countries.
Look to see how much fossil fuel and coal they buy to support their growth wishes.
You will not because you are either afraid or know that you are wasting your time.
Go sit on the door steps of GM, Ford, VW, all of them to give you cars that do not use fossil fuels.. period.
Leave F1 racing to it self.
Millions of fans love this auto sport spectacle that has a rich history and shows what the human machine can do when matched with superb automotive technology.

[Denthúl]

I think the majority of us who say F1 needs to be greener have already addressed other issues, such as factories, power stations etc.

Fact is, Formula 1 is supposed to play a major role in developing the best technology which then gets used in road cars. So, by that logic, which is adopted by many, they should be leading the way in cutting car-caused pollution. I think you really need to see the bigger picture, and learn a little more about the subject. You fit into the crowd who, currently, can't see that green technologies aren't all slow. There are many ways of cutting emissions significantly without compromising speed.

[Martin]

You really want to do something that will tremendously reduce smog / greenhouse gas / adnausium?
Go to China and India and stop them from using 40% of the worlds energy while they are going through their industrial age.
OPEN your eyes and see where the MOST contaminants are being born.
Leave F1 alone; it has no responsibility to the world to be the spokes person for cars running with solar cells or wind mills or veggie fuel, etc.
It is about RACING.
It's about developing the most sophisticated race cars in the world and RACING them.
Not parading around 45 mph achieving only 1 pit stop to measure how much energy they saved for the last 20 laps.
It always amazes me how human beings feel obligated to tell others how to manage / run their lives.
Lots of people are like leeches, looking for some thing to jump on an suck the life out of it for their twisted and confused ideas.
You greenie beings, focus on un controlled industrialization in emerging countries.
Look to see how much fossil fuel and coal they buy to support their growth wishes.
You will not because you are either afraid or know that you are wasting your time.
Go sit on the door steps of GM, Ford, VW, all of them to give you cars that do not use fossil fuels.. period.
Leave F1 racing to it self.
Millions of fans love this auto sport spectacle that has a rich history and shows what the human machine can do when matched with superb automotive technology.

Mr Conte, you use this line - It always amazes me how human beings feel obligated to tell others how to manage / run their lives. and then you proceed to spend the rest of your post telling people what to do. It kind of invalidates your argument.

[al4x]

You really want to do something that will tremendously reduce smog / greenhouse gas / adnausium?
Go to China and India and stop them from using 40% of the worlds energy while they are going through their industrial age.
OPEN your eyes and see where the MOST contaminants are being born.
Leave F1 alone; it has no responsibility to the world to be the spokes person for cars running with solar cells or wind mills or veggie fuel, etc.
It is about RACING.
It's about developing the most sophisticated race cars in the world and RACING them.
Not parading around 45 mph achieving only 1 pit stop to measure how much energy they saved for the last 20 laps.
It always amazes me how human beings feel obligated to tell others how to manage / run their lives.
Lots of people are like leeches, looking for some thing to jump on an suck the life out of it for their twisted and confused ideas.
You greenie beings, focus on un controlled industrialization in emerging countries.
Look to see how much fossil fuel and coal they buy to support their growth wishes.
You will not because you are either afraid or know that you are wasting your time.
Go sit on the door steps of GM, Ford, VW, all of them to give you cars that do not use fossil fuels.. period.
Leave F1 racing to it self.
Millions of fans love this auto sport spectacle that has a rich history and shows what the human machine can do when matched with superb automotive technology.

Mr Conte, you use this line - It always amazes me how human beings feel obligated to tell others how to manage / run their lives. and then you proceed to spend the rest of your post telling people what to do. It kind of invalidates your argument.

lol! i was just about to quote that!

[8-ball]

Mr. Conte reminds of a certain user we had in the past...

[bud]

You really want to do something that will tremendously reduce smog / greenhouse gas / adnausium?
Go to China and India and stop them from using 40% of the worlds energy while they are going through their industrial age.
OPEN your eyes and see where the MOST contaminants are being born.
Leave F1 alone; it has no responsibility to the world to be the spokes person for cars running with solar cells or wind mills or veggie fuel, etc.
It is about RACING.
It's about developing the most sophisticated race cars in the world and RACING them.
Not parading around 45 mph achieving only 1 pit stop to measure how much energy they saved for the last 20 laps.
It always amazes me how human beings feel obligated to tell others how to manage / run their lives.
Lots of people are like leeches, looking for some thing to jump on an suck the life out of it for their twisted and confused ideas.
You greenie beings, focus on un controlled industrialization in emerging countries.
Look to see how much fossil fuel and coal they buy to support their growth wishes.
You will not because you are either afraid or know that you are wasting your time.
Go sit on the door steps of GM, Ford, VW, all of them to give you cars that do not use fossil fuels.. period.
Leave F1 racing to it self.
Millions of fans love this auto sport spectacle that has a rich history and shows what the human machine can do when matched with superb automotive technology.

mr conte you belong in the old school of though racers will rece no matter what is pushing them around the track! evolve my friend dont just be a lamb to the ways of petrol head! think for yourself

[Mr.Conte]

F1 uses a small amount of fossil fuel in their fuel make up due to rules.
They understand what it takes to make HP.
HP wins races; it always will.
You can run more wing if you have more HP than the other guy.
I don't subscribe to the "global warming" thing as many sheep in this world do.
No one will watch F1 if they are running around in flashy veggie mobiles with propellers on.
If you tell a false truth enough, people will believe it after a while.
I do not support wasteful energy usage, nor destruction of natural land applications.
I do however look at this "Green F1" thing as a joke and one more attempt at manipulation by brain dead liberals to make themselves feel good because they were mis treated nerds in their younger days.
They will always sip their Lattes and play with their lap tops while spouting useless words that have no constructive body but, are more than willing to tell you how to live your life the way they see you should.
If I am in a war, I do not want these people anywhere near me.
They will run an hide when it hits the fan.
Give me people who see through the BS and work to come up with ways to really fix the problems, not talk about what everyone is doing wrong.

[Denthúl]

I think the current mixture is something like 95% fossil fuel and 5% bio fuel, which isn't really worth much. And it's not just the cars people here are talking about: team headquarters and factories, all the transport, power for venues etc.

I'm pretty sure that if they replaced the current fuel with a vegetable oil-based fuel overnight without telling you, you wouldn't care and would still watch the sport, completely unaware. You should probably read a lot more into alternative fuel sources before you start trying to make those kind of points.