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[Denthúl]

I agree, especially considering the insane amount of money that gets poured into F1. Rather than chasing for a tenth here and there, they should commit themselves to finding solutions to this problem, a beacon of reason so to speak...

Yep. £25million from each team would probably go a long way towards reducing environmental impacts. But a lot of them would probably argue that that's too much... o.o

[bud]

unless you are planing on living till your 500,000 years old then you won't be around to care.

Im sorry but that attitude is pathetic!

F1 is going green because Al gore says that the planet is warming up. However there are a number of scientist's that dispute this and till it's proved fact F1 should not go green because it limits development

Have you forgotten the hole in the Ozone layer? thats "proven" and its beause of Human activities.
And these scientists that you are talking about are correct, climate change is a natural occurance s*** once upon a time Earths polar regions were tropical. But its the rate in which changes are happening NOW thats the clincher!
What naturally takes tens of thousands of years with life adapting as it changes is now happening in our lifetime. Polar regions are melting and if they continue then Sea's will rise and thats a bitch if you live in a seaboard city! not to mention the loss of habitat in those areas along with the polar regions themselves.
Now i love F1 i love the sound of the cars, when you rock up to the track and you can hear them from a distance its really music to my ears. but you have to put your selfishness aside and look to what is best in the long run. F1 is full of car manufacturers some with no real racing pedigree at all and exist in F1 to use it as a marketing tool to sell family cars so these companies say that F1 technology trickles down to the road car so why not start with greener technology. Which if F1 does start this trend will affect all categories beneath it all the way down to Karting.

[darwin dali]

Good one bud!

[al4x]

an if too much fresh water is dumped into the sea it will play havoc with the climate, ie the uk turns alot colder!

[bud]

, ie the uk turns alot colder!

is that possible??

[al4x]

believe it or not, after it gets a bit hotter, its supposed to get so much more colder!

[darwin dali]

That could become reality if the Gulf Stream turns cold, gets diverted or turned off altogether. No more balmy breezes over good ol' England...

[Denthúl]

an if too much fresh water is dumped into the sea it will play havoc with the climate, ie the uk turns alot colder!

That's a bad thing?

[ArtHowe]

Have you forgotten the hole in the Ozone layer? thats "proven" and its beause of Human activities.

I accept that the hole in the ozone layer is “proven”, but it is simply your opinion that its cause is due to human activity.

And these scientists that you are talking about are correct, climate change is a natural occurance

That these scientists are correct is also simply your opinion and is one not subscribed to by at least as many scientists as do subscribe. Besides, if climate change is a "natural occurrence" then it is not caused by humans. Its either "natural" or "human" in origin.

s*** once upon a time Earths polar regions were tropical...

It’s highly unlikely that tropical conditions at the poles was caused by climate change. It seems more reasonable that it was caused by axis shift caused by changes in the earth’s magnetic field. Besides, your arguing against your own position. If it was caused by climate change then it must have been by an incredibly powerful change and, given that this occurred in an era when no human existed, how does this contribute to supporting your argument that Man is causing climate change?

[bud]

I accept that the hole in the ozone layer is “proven”, but it is simply your opinion that its cause is due to human activity.

they have done tests and CFC are a major cause, a man made gas…. Go figure!!! Are you on the payroll of Shell by any chance?

That these scientists are correct is also simply your opinion and is one not subscribed to by at least as many scientists as do subscribe. Besides, if climate change is a "natural occurrence" then it is not caused by humans. Its either "natural" or "human" in origin.

Climate change is a natural occurance read below, the rate in which it is happening now is not natural. Comprende compardre but continue to hide your head in the sand everything will be alright!

It’s highly unlikely that tropical conditions at the poles was caused by climate change. It seems more reasonable that it was caused by axis shift caused by changes in the earth’s magnetic field. Besides, your arguing against your own position. If it was caused by climate change then it must have been by an incredibly powerful change and, given that this occurred in an era when no human existed, how does this contribute to supporting your argument that Man is causing climate change?

Hang on mate climate change is a given, (youre talking like its something made up) whether it happens over 10 thousand years or longer, the climate HAS changed in Earths history many times over and over. And flora and fauna have evolved to adapt to those changes. i was stating a fact about the polar regions in earths history, as the planet as a whole for example in the Triassic period was very dry and arid and there were no polar ice caps. had nothing to do with shift in axis or magnetic changes just one big continent pangea and its harsh deserts.
Its about adaptation we are changing the face of the planet at a far too greater rate in which flora and fauna can adapt this all affects the climate in some form or another. Added to the cocktail of gases we pump into the atmosphere you have man made climate change. And mate its simple, man is creating unnatural conditions with pollution and habitat loss, to say these actions have no concequence on the environment is just plain utter ignorance at its very best.

[ArtHowe]

It's not about climate change not being a "given", "mate". It's about what is driving it! Obviously, since there have been numerous climate change events in the past, when cars had not even been invented and before the industrial revolution, there are other factors that are powerful drivers of climate. One of the major factors has been identified as sun spot activity cycles, presumably there are others. You, and numerous others, have simply swallowed the party line - hook, line and sinker. All I'm saying is that this may not be all that the political agenda cracks it up to be.

I agree that it is time that that human race stopped despoiling the planet and behaved more responsibly but I do not automatically buy into theories that may be driven by ulterior political agendas... so get off your holier-than-thou soapbox!

[8-ball]

Have you forgotten the hole in the Ozone layer? thats "proven" and its beause of Human activities.
And these scientists that you are talking about are correct, climate change is a natural occurance s*** once upon a time Earths polar regions were tropical. But its the rate in which changes are happening NOW thats the clincher!
What naturally takes tens of thousands of years with life adapting as it changes is now happening in our lifetime. Polar regions are melting and if they continue then Sea's will rise and thats a bitch if you live in a seaboard city! not to mention the loss of habitat in those areas along with the polar regions themselves.
Now i love F1 i love the sound of the cars, when you rock up to the track and you can hear them from a distance its really music to my ears. but you have to put your selfishness aside and look to what is best in the long run. F1 is full of car manufacturers some with no real racing pedigree at all and exist in F1 to use it as a marketing tool to sell family cars so these companies say that F1 technology trickles down to the road car so why not start with greener technology. Which if F1 does start this trend will affect all categories beneath it all the way down to Karting.

I don't dispute that the planet is dirty but motor racing and motoring in general are not the major cause of the problem. China manufacturers spew more pollution in a week that than F1 does over 1 year and i think those problems need to be addressed and sorted before we start blaming F1 and making them go green. Green technology may be good for road cars but if anyone has ever driven a Toyota prius will know its painfully slow!

[bud]

I agree that it is time that that human race stopped despoiling the planet and behaved more responsibly but I do not automatically buy into theories that may be driven by ulterior political agendas... so get off your holier-than-thou soapbox!

More money to be lost to economies in changing our ways than staying on our current path. so the political agenda would be more at home for those who discount human activity and the resulting ecological impact as nothing but a natural occurance.

and if getting off the high horse means coming down to your narrow minded view then id prefer to stay up here

I don't dispute that the planet is dirty but motor racing and motoring in general are not the major cause of the problem. China manufacturers spew more pollution in a week that than F1 does over 1 year and i think those problems need to be addressed and sorted before we start blaming F1 and making them go green. Green technology may be good for road cars but if anyone has ever driven a Toyota prius will know its painfully slow!

yes i know Motorsport on its own is not as big an issue as industry but road cars are playing a major roll it all adds up in the end, and F1 can be a leader in technology which will trickle down to the road car.
On the Prius ive driven one and its not all that noticeable as if you give it some the petrol engine kicks in so its compearable to any small 1.3 - 1.5 ltre car.
and by complaining about it being slow is enough reason for F1 to take a lead in performance hybrid, kers, electric, hydrogen or any other green powerplants so the consumer like you wont whinge

[al4x]

It’s highly unlikely that tropical conditions at the poles was caused by climate change. It seems more reasonable that it was caused by axis shift caused by changes in the earth’s magnetic field. Besides, your arguing against your own position. If it was caused by climate change then it must have been by an incredibly powerful change and, given that this occurred in an era when no human existed, how does this contribute to supporting your argument that Man is causing climate change?

no, thats far too much of a shift, and still it wouldnt be tropical conditons, ice ages probably but not to the extent of tropical conditions,

human influence has pretty strong backing,

and if england does get colder by shutdown of the conveyer it will cripple us as it will be fairly sudden

fact is is ot gonna change, US wont change(very short sighted), europe is for change generally, but look how slow that is

[racechick]

Im no scientist(more on the arty, creative spectrum ) so can only comment on what ive read or seen on documentaries.I was fully convinced about the human contribution to hastening climate change and concerned about where things were going. Then I watched a documentary by a scientist (sorry cant remember name)who disputed this and showed how the evidence could be made to look like that, He said (and gave evidence)that it was linked to solar activity. He had drilled down into polar ice and showed how the big changes corresponded to heightened solar activity. As I say Im no scientist but it sounded plausable, we are so menial compared to the power of the sun.
Also heard that cow farts create more of a problem than cars
Well whatever is right i think we should clean our air up (are you listening China and USA) Much nicer to breathe fresh air