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[andrew]

I find myself in agreement with CookinFlat6.

[1Lemon]

Going back to the Seb Webber incident, I think to be fair to Seb we need to forget about everything between the two except Brazil last year. Something happened with webber and Seb and almost cost Seb the title. I think it is this incident that Seb is paying back. I dont think he would have been so blatant about it if it wasnt a calculated ploy to get Webber back

just a speculation on my part, but I might be biased because I think Sebs a great driver and Marks a whinging git who has done the naughty on others including Seb and Lewis at Singapore 2010 IIRC. He tried to stay ahead and couldnt, tough sh*t

<sarcasm> Ah it wasn't calculated, Vettle claims that he didn't hear the order, but heard it but maybe didn't understand it so he did it anyway. </sarcasm>

I get from his interview that it was calculated and he was clearly covering. The question is what would he need revenge for?

[Hammer278]

I find myself in agreement with CookinFlat6.

Hey Cookin, you might want to rethink your thought process.

[mnmracer]

Going back to the Seb Webber incident, I think to be fair to Seb we need to forget about everything between the two except Brazil last year. Something happened with webber and Seb and almost cost Seb the title. I think it is this incident that Seb is paying back. I dont think he would have been so blatant about it if it wasnt a calculated ploy to get Webber back

just a speculation on my part, but I might be biased because I think Sebs a great driver and Marks a whinging git who has done the naughty on others including Seb and Lewis at Singapore 2010 IIRC. He tried to stay ahead and couldnt, tough sh*t

<sarcasm> Ah it wasn't calculated, Vettle claims that he didn't hear the order, but heard it but maybe didn't understand it so he did it anyway. </sarcasm>

I get from his interview that it was calculated and he was clearly covering. The question is what would he need revenge for?

Seriously?
Revenge for Silverstone (however you twist it, it did happen).
Revenge for Webber having the intent three times, and succeeding twice, in endangering his championship title.

Those seem like pretty good reasons to take revenge.

[1Lemon]

Going back to the Seb Webber incident, I think to be fair to Seb we need to forget about everything between the two except Brazil last year. Something happened with webber and Seb and almost cost Seb the title. I think it is this incident that Seb is paying back. I dont think he would have been so blatant about it if it wasnt a calculated ploy to get Webber back

just a speculation on my part, but I might be biased because I think Sebs a great driver and Marks a whinging git who has done the naughty on others including Seb and Lewis at Singapore 2010 IIRC. He tried to stay ahead and couldnt, tough sh*t

<sarcasm> Ah it wasn't calculated, Vettle claims that he didn't hear the order, but heard it but maybe didn't understand it so he did it anyway. </sarcasm>

I get from his interview that it was calculated and he was clearly covering. The question is what would he need revenge for?

Seriously?
Revenge for Silverstone (however you twist it, it did happen).
Revenge for Webber having the intent three times, and succeeding twice, in endangering his championship title.

Those seem like pretty good reasons to take revenge.

But he did win the title all those times, by that logic everyone on the grid deserves Vettle's revenge as they all got in the way of him winning his championship titles.

[mnmracer]

Going back to the Seb Webber incident, I think to be fair to Seb we need to forget about everything between the two except Brazil last year. Something happened with webber and Seb and almost cost Seb the title. I think it is this incident that Seb is paying back. I dont think he would have been so blatant about it if it wasnt a calculated ploy to get Webber back

just a speculation on my part, but I might be biased because I think Sebs a great driver and Marks a whinging git who has done the naughty on others including Seb and Lewis at Singapore 2010 IIRC. He tried to stay ahead and couldnt, tough sh*t

<sarcasm> Ah it wasn't calculated, Vettle claims that he didn't hear the order, but heard it but maybe didn't understand it so he did it anyway. </sarcasm>

I get from his interview that it was calculated and he was clearly covering. The question is what would he need revenge for?

Seriously?
Revenge for Silverstone (however you twist it, it did happen).
Revenge for Webber having the intent three times, and succeeding twice, in endangering his championship title.

Those seem like pretty good reasons to take revenge.

But he did win the title all those times, by that logic everyone on the grid deserves Vettle's revenge as they all got in the way of him winning his championship titles.

So if you and I were colleagues in the past.
You want a job in 2011, your new boss asks me what I think of you, and I say only bad things about you. You still get the job.
You want a job in 2012, your new boss asks me what I think of you, and I say only bad things about you. There's a second round of interviews, your new boss calls me again, and I again say only bad things about you, on the very day of your last interview. You still get the job.

Now it's 2013, and I would like a job. My new boss calls you and asks you, what do you think of mnmracer?
Would you truly be inclined to help me get that job?
Would you fault someone else for not being inclined to get that job?

Failing to screw someone over doesn't make the screwing over part ok.

[CookinFlat6]

I find myself in agreement with CookinFlat6.

Hey Cookin, you might want to rethink your thought process.

I clearly have to rethink my whole life to see how it got to this

[andrew]

I find myself in agreement with CookinFlat6.

Hey Cookin, you might want to rethink your thought process.

I clearly have to rethink my whole life to see how it got to this

How do you think I feel?

[1Lemon]

Going back to the Seb Webber incident, I think to be fair to Seb we need to forget about everything between the two except Brazil last year. Something happened with webber and Seb and almost cost Seb the title. I think it is this incident that Seb is paying back. I dont think he would have been so blatant about it if it wasnt a calculated ploy to get Webber back

just a speculation on my part, but I might be biased because I think Sebs a great driver and Marks a whinging git who has done the naughty on others including Seb and Lewis at Singapore 2010 IIRC. He tried to stay ahead and couldnt, tough sh*t

<sarcasm> Ah it wasn't calculated, Vettle claims that he didn't hear the order, but heard it but maybe didn't understand it so he did it anyway. </sarcasm>

I get from his interview that it was calculated and he was clearly covering. The question is what would he need revenge for?

Seriously?
Revenge for Silverstone (however you twist it, it did happen).
Revenge for Webber having the intent three times, and succeeding twice, in endangering his championship title.

Those seem like pretty good reasons to take revenge.

But he did win the title all those times, by that logic everyone on the grid deserves Vettle's revenge as they all got in the way of him winning his championship titles.

So if you and I were colleagues in the past.
You want a job in 2011, your new boss asks me what I think of you, and I say only bad things about you. You still get the job.
You want a job in 2012, your new boss asks me what I think of you, and I say only bad things about you. There's a second round of interviews, your new boss calls me again, and I again say only bad things about you, on the very day of your last interview. You still get the job.

Now it's 2013, and I would like a job. My new boss calls you and asks you, what do you think of mnmracer?
Would you truly be inclined to help me get that job?
Would you fault someone else for not being inclined to get that job?

Failing to screw someone over doesn't make the screwing over part ok.

These hypothetical situations are getting further and further away from the topic at hand, as it seems no matter what anyone says to these bosses they ignore it. Yes you would be upset, but not enough to go against your whole team, team boss, chief technical designer etc. and risk loosing all that trust and the persona of a nice guy, to get back at someone who slightly hindered something that you got anyway, he did this for another reason, a pure it's all or nothing attitude, sometimes you just have to accept "I could win, but the risks that it runs isn't worth it". And this is what I've been saying all along, Vettle is a immature driver who doesn't seem to have perspective for the long run of a championship, it's worked well so far because he is such a good driver in such a good car but little incidents like this show that he is willing to risk it all for 7 extra points, because he doesn't think about how many more races there are. (Like Grosjean, except he can't see the end of a race, only the end of the first lap. )

[myownalias]

That's it; close the forum down; Andrew and Cookinflat6 are agreeing; this has to be some sort of paradox, shut it now before we all experience a temporal implosion!

[mnmracer]

Ha, last in before the close!

[1Lemon]

We do need a <\sarcasm> little box in this forum.

[LewEngBridewell]

So anyway. Vettel really should get a proper haircut, don't you think Andrew?

Nawww, I love his golden locks

[hirstes]

mnmracer i think the difference is that vettel actually succeeded whereas webber attempted to and failed and thats why he is in such an uproar

[mnmracer]

mnmracer i think the difference is that vettel actually succeeded whereas webber attempted to and failed and thats why he is in such an uproar

Be that is it may, it just makes Webber a sore loser.
Although I do enjoy seeing people fail when they try to screw someone over, it won't make me more empathetic for what they did.