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[stonemonkey]

Was this a little bit of sarcasm from Lewis at 13.15-13.40?

[What's Burning?]

I seemed heartfelt.

[stonemonkey]

Makes me think that maybe him leaving was mutual and the reason Mclaren didn't seem to make much effort to stop him.

[LewEngBridewell]

This year's McLaren is the fourth worst ever Mclaren at the start of a season in terms of percentage defecit to the overall fastest lap. It's 2.777%off. Only three others ever started the season worse. Even the 2009 car only had half the defecit that this car has (1.184%), and much of that was the DD which was soon rectified. The big problem this year seems to be the fact that they cannot understand why it's slow. Things they have done should make it faster but it's made it slower
Starts worse than this year are as follows
1966 - 2.900 % deficit
1982- 3.385 % deficit
1987 - 3.047% deficit.
They have their work cut out!
(Info from an article in Autosport)

Looking at that, McLaren fans should take heart! 1987 may have had a sizeable deficit, but just think of the following season

[bud]

And what was Ferraris deficit at the start of last season with the pull rod suspension? It took more than one race for them to get their head around it so I don't see how McLarens case is any different. Aside from a few Lewis fans who want nothing more than McLaren to fail...

[Jabberwocky]

And what was Ferraris deficit at the start of last season with the pull rod suspension? It took more than one race for them to get their head around it so I don't see how McLarens case is any different. Aside from a few Lewis fans who want nothing more than McLaren to fail...

Just the usual bitter few. I am sure they dislike Mclaren more than Lewis does

[racechick]

I don't really want Mclaren to fail, I'd rather Lewis beat a strong McLaren than a weak one. But people are going to discuss it aren't they. People will speculate on what's gone wrong, is it the pull rod?or the higher front? Or a change made to more suit Jensons driving? McLaren still think the car has more potential than last years, but how long can they wait to try and realise it?

I dont know what Ferrari's percentage defecit to the fastest car was last year, but it would be interesting to know that.

[What's Burning?]

Doesn't matter how good of a driver Lewis was, no one was going to get the MP4-28 on the podium. Jenson has his work cut out for him.
I took the Lewis to beat Button bet in the fantasy game for this weekend BTW.

[racechick]

I hope you've not jinxed things WB, they're very close to each other in first practise.

[Hammer278]

This year's McLaren is the fourth worst ever Mclaren at the start of a season in terms of percentage defecit to the overall fastest lap. It's 2.777%off. Only three others ever started the season worse. Even the 2009 car only had half the defecit that this car has (1.184%), and much of that was the DD which was soon rectified. The big problem this year seems to be the fact that they cannot understand why it's slow. Things they have done should make it faster but it's made it slower
Starts worse than this year are as follows
1966 - 2.900 % deficit
1982- 3.385 % deficit
1987 - 3.047% deficit.
They have their work cut out!
(Info from an article in Autosport)

Looking at that, McLaren fans should take heart! 1987 may have had a sizeable deficit, but just think of the following season

You're sounding very much like Liverpool FC now, looking back into stone ages for some historical data to cheer yourself up.

I hope you've not jinxed things WB, they're very close to each other in first practise.

No way, I'd put money on Lewis lapping BUtton this weekend...unless it rains which it will, unfortunately. The McLaren is pretty handy in the wet.

[theTruth]

And what was Ferraris deficit at the start of last season with the pull rod suspension? It took more than one race for them to get their head around it so I don't see how McLarens case is any different. Aside from a few Lewis fans who want nothing more than McLaren to fail...

Just the usual bitter few. I am sure they dislike Mclaren more than Lewis does

Lewis is a smart young man..., I'm quite sure he hates McLaren's guts. Doesn't mean he won't go back there one day, once they figure it out, and get some people in there who are capable of relating to each individual on the content of his or her character, and based on the level of his or her talent, and not based on some other reason.... lol

I get the Ferrari/Alonso Lewis-haters. History is harsh to your boy on that point. But what is it with the British/underdog blah, blah, blah, "Jense, Jense, we love JENSE" thing? That so-called "underdog" mentality, that leads to a license to manipulate, destabilize, corrupt, etc, etc, etc, all around the world (the James Bondian "license to kill," in other words), in the interest of "survival," rather than a spirit to embrace, communicate, and exchange among cultures, all of which would be on the plus side, spiritually speaking.

But that of course, would lead to a diminution of the purity of the "brand," which is, what exactly? lol

But the last straw, in sporting terms, was when they applied that mentality to one of their "own," our man Lewis. That's when the "fun" really began. It showed the depths of the sickness which pervades so much of Western society. Superiority of a certain sort (and cookin, I'm not just referring to the obvious one you assumed), writ large for the whole world to see. What great "fun" that was, and I'm sure Lewis enjoyed it as much as, if not more than, any of his fans did. That's why I'm quite sure he hates McLaren's guts, lol. Why else would he leave? (And it's not because of the car. We know based on Canada last year, inter alia, that he is not limited in that regard, as some others are).

When you really start to look behind the curtain, and start to understand things in a mature, clear-minded way, it's not pretty, and makes me disheartened a little bit, about the future. But the young people, those a little too young to be on here, might see things a little bit differently. A change in perception can happen quickly. The things you folks, and myself, thought about as kids, that helped shape our perceptions and thought processes of today, those stimuli are quite different to what the young people of today are seeing. And those things, yes, including one Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton, are going to make a difference, despite the filters and negative spin most of the media, and many forumers, continuously put on his accomplishments (And often-times, with a full appreciation of what they are aiming to accomplish, precisely with the thoughts above in mind; particularly as it regards the mindset of the youth, and how that mindset can be manipulated to achieve the desired ends -- which is the maintenance of the status quo ante. Funny though, these types of thought processes often seem to have the opposite of the desired effect. I'm sure the thought process was something like: "Jenson WDC," or somesuch. Need I say more, lol).

So that's it folks, Things fell apart for good old Macca (or is it good ol' massa, as Lewis Django'd the whole f*cking plantation, figuratively speaking, and blew that b%tch up, lol). But maybe they'll put it back together again soon, for the better, I hope.

Have a great race everybody!

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[CookinFlat6]

So that's it folks, Things fell apart for good old Macca (or is it good ol' massa, as Lewis Django'd the whole f*cking plantation, figuratively speaking, and blew that b%tch up, lol). But maybe they'll put it back together again soon, for the better, I hope.

Have a great race everybody!

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Interesting analogy there, there's just one thing you might wanna consider, wasnt it in America that these things were happening right up to the 60's?
And wasn't it Britain that black american sports stars and musicians like Hendrix were coming to because they were accepted and felt more comfortable than their own places with its apartheid laws etc? (edit - reinstated)

We know Merc and Ferrari have 2 separate development teams working on 2013 and 2014 cars already. We also know McLaren have everyone working on resolving the 2013 28. They are effectively running 2 halved development teams, one for experimental, to try guess their way out, and the other just trying to fix the car.

At what point will it make financial sense to transfer half if not all resources towards 2014? Is it better at some point to write off 2013 and put everyone on 2014, as they are already behind. Are the restrictions placed on Paddy Lowe really going to hurt (assuming they let him work at all)
This year is therefore different to the other years they had to play catchup.

Whats the cut off point, Barcelona? Silverstone?

[andrew]

Jimi Hendrix was brought to Britain by Chas Chandler and signed into an management deal with Michael Jeffery. Thereafter he was introduced to Noel Redding and Mitch Mitchell (both British) and the Jimi Hendrix Experience was born.

[stonemonkey]

Jimi Hendrix was brought to Britain by Chas Chandler and signed into an management deal with Michael Jeffery. Thereafter he was introduced to Noel Redding and Mitch Mitchell (both British) and the Jimi Hendrix Experience was born.

One of the few gods to actually have existed.

[theTruth]

So that's it folks, Things fell apart for good old Macca (or is it good ol' massa, as Lewis Django'd the whole f*cking plantation, figuratively speaking, and blew that b%tch up, lol). But maybe they'll put it back together again soon, for the better, I hope.

Have a great race everybody!

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Interesting analogy there, there's just one thing you might wanna consider, wasnt it in America that these things were happening right up to the 60's?
And wasn't it Britain that black american sports stars and musicians like Hendrix were coming to because they were accepted and felt more comfortable than their own places with its apartheid laws etc?

More recent than the 60s, my friend. I kind of anticipated this angle, from someone, and started to add in the original post, that if anyone thinks I would be less critical of America, if a Lewis Hamilton had emerged here first -- and who was treated similarly -- which is highly likely, then, you misread me.

If anything, my earliest memories of the U.K. are of admiration, once we were taught in school how you guys abolished the slave trade well in advance of America's eventual reckoning with the issue. So I don't have any anti-British agenda here. I simply call 'em as I see 'em.

As an aside, I think Hendrix was kind of a one-off, random chance kind of thing. He was going to be great anywhere, had played with Ike and Tina Turner, Sly and the Family Stone, etc, and was clearly going to be an icon. A dude from England just happened to see him in a club in New York, and offered him a chance to come to London. I think Paris is where some of the blues and jazz guys ended up, but probably on the order of one-to-a-thousand, compared to the number of pioneers who stayed home. The list is literally endless, if you look into it.

I think if you take a step back, and consider that mine is really a global critique, not one directed at the U.K., and that F1 is the global sport of the elite (in addition to us "car" folks). That's why it's important. That's why Lewis is important. And that's why McLaren is important, in this whole evolving narrative. The Lewis/McLaren story could have been something special, instead, it took an interesting turn. Now, in light of the popularity of Django, and Cristoph Waltz, in Germany (Tarantino, brilliant -- puts German dude as the liberator of enslaved African-Americans, ha), I think it's interesting to see how that impacts their acceptance (or non-acceptance), of Lewis, down the line, driving for Mercedes. Funny that.

But for me it's simple. People take a few unwarranted shots at Lewis, or at "some" of his fans, and I reserve the right to express my thoughts on it, if I choose to, and which thoughts are most likely to be a bit shall we say "different" from the norm. I didn't mention Lewis or his fans in a McLaren thread, and wasn't looking particularly for anything to comment on -- just checking on recent developments. But as long as I'm here, I might have something to say.

I'm a fan of your posts btw, although sometimes you are a bit far out there even for me. lol

Peace.
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