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By What's Burning?
#348972
I think the pushrod explanation Scotty linked a while ago goes a long way to explain that perhaps. Ferrari has been working with the design longer.
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By scotty
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I think anything like that lies in the designer's hands a lot more than the drivers though. The drivers put faith in the engineers to get that part right themselves in the first place. Not that it'll make any difference in the grand scheme of things, people like to throw these buzzwords around when trying to sell themselves, so i don't think there's much point reading into individual words about a given car. To look at it more simply, either a car will generate a lot of downforce and be quick, or it won't generate so much, and be slow.
By CookinFlat6
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In this case the driver, Button will have been the reason for taking the car down a route.
McLaren had a sorted fast car at the end of last year. All they had to do was stick to the winning formula and evolve it and sort out the operational errors.

The changes will be an attempt to 'build the car around' Button, and give him 'the car he can win in'
Whitmarshes words. Even Perez has said Button has influenced this approach.

From testing, button has not yet been able to extract more over last years car yet, he sent a lot more time in the garage than Perez.

like Hammer says its a real do or die for McLaren when there is absolutely no proof that Button is a good developer in these no testing times. If his setup window etc is as narrow as we come to expect, there is gonna be a lot of hit or miss going on all season, like his slump last year, we gonna hear a lot about understeer, balance and no grip every single FP
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By bud
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"uncompromising"...and "a new route" which sounds like a bit of a gamble, aka, a car that is a bit more fidgety and less predictable?

I think it's necessary, if they could see their previous route was reaching an evolutionary dead end then they had to change, Even if it still won the last race.
I don't see Perez as being in a uncomfortable position being at the sharp end. No different to Lewis who in his second season was lead driver, Perez at least has two years under his belt at the same age.
By Hammer278
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You have a point there. I still see it as a gamble by the team, but a necessary one if they felt the previous car had lost scope for improvements...or at least significant ones to maintain ahead of others.

Well, Button has this year to prove he can take a team places and McLaren have given him the chance for it...so we'll see.
By CookinFlat6
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I think we might be about to witness another glorious McLaren disaster. The development potential story is one that must be taken with a pinch of salt. What they mean is that after 3 year they have finally decided to move to a high front, which is something everyone else worked out 3 years ago.
So while they are at it why not change the suspension to pull rod and go through the growing pains Ferrari did last year making it work with limited testing and extra long setup change periods

Last year they developed well and finished strongest, yet nowhere near the title. If anyone should have learnt by now that starting on the back foot then relying on out developing the rest is fraught with risks, then it should be McLaren. Even if they outdevelop the rest, they would have to be operationally better and their drivers would have to be at their best throughout the season for the team to beat RBR and Ferrari.

Nope, would have been better to start strong and concentrate on maximising the package they have. Maybe even introduce the new front later in the season. Alonso monstered the whole Mclaren team last year with a worse car, this is the kind of thing a smart team with a driver known for consistency should be aiming for. Last years car was known, even Button had got to grips ith it somewhat by the end, why why why this all or nothing radical approach with a driver who does not like discomfort or unpredictability

This is like deja vu with McLaren, they cant wait to create a new reason for glorious failure. I am just so glad that there is a different team to root for this season cos I can see a lot of pain and frustration this season again
By CookinFlat6
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Sounds like Button or his management are interested in extending his Mclaren contract. I really hope the team offer him a new 5 year extension contract to prevent him leaving for a rival team.

The 33-year-old signed a “multi-year deal” in October 2011 and is now ready to commit the rest of his career to the team.

And says he has no reason to jump ship like former teammate Lewis Hamilton or technical director Paddy Lowe, who is poised to join Mercedes.

Button said: “I feel very at home here. I’d like to end my career here.

“I’m not saying that’s going to happen soon. It feels the right place to be for me for the long term.

“I don’t see me leaving. There’s no reason to leave this team.

“Some people decide to leave because they feel there’s another challenge, or something’s missing from their position.

“For me there is still so much to achieve here. I want to add to the team’s history, not just this year but the coming years.”


With the fastest car on the grid, number 1 status, the car designed around his requirements we should see a string of titles starting this year. Its always good to have the best drivers in 'their own' teams.
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By Jabberwocky
#349058
I think this is just a motivation statement to focus the team
By Nin-Chin
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Forget Button,Alonso is the one I really have to beat:Hamilton sets his sights on driving back to the top with Mercedes


Lewis Hamilton may not have intended to be provocative, or to pick a fight with his old team-mate Jenson Button, but he has indisputably raised the stakes in their rivalry when the world championship starts in Melbourne on Sunday.
For many, Button may never have a greater chance of winning a second world title now that Hamilton is no longer racing in an identical McLaren after opting to seek a bold new adventure with Mercedes.
In the big picture, Hamilton seeks nothing less than greatness, he said last week.

Yet surely an immediate mission will begin with his duel against Button and his old team McLaren, who groomed him for stardom from childhood?
'That doesn’t really excite me,' said Hamilton.
Instead, he wants to be judged against Fernando Alonso, and Sebastian Vettel, the winners of five of the past eight world championships. Most of all, he wants to be assessed against Alonso, a winner of 30 grands prix.
'The rivalry between me and Fernando excites me more [than with Button],' said Hamilton. 'He’s the guy I want to beat. You also want to beat Seb, as they are the ones with most titles. But Alonso’s the fastest driver I can see. He’s also one of the most experienced. Anyone would struggle to beat him.
'Trying to finish ahead of Alonso, in a Ferrari that is actually really competitive, is a really nice challenge. And I do think the Ferrari is going to be quick this year.'
Hamilton’s introduction to Alonso, at McLaren in his rookie season in 2007, was highly combustible.

After a series of acrimonious incidents, the Spaniard, already a double world champion, reacted to losing the uncivil war by instigating an FIA inquiry, accusing McLaren personnel of having possession of Ferrari data, that led to the British team being fined $100million.
Times move on — and Hamilton unapologetically nominates Alonso as the driver of the modern generation, regardless of the fact Vettel has won the past three titles since Button was world champion in 2009. Button will not publicly rise to the bait but will remember Hamilton’s dismissive opinion after three years as team-mates. Indeed, he was not slow to have a subtle dig at Hamilton before his departure for Melbourne last week.
‘I feel I’d like to end my career at McLaren,’ said Button, who was broadly advised three years ago that he risked driving his career into a cul-de-sac when he joined the team fashioned around Hamilton.
Nothing could have proved further from the truth. Button’s charm, self-deprecating humour and, most importantly, a ruthless racing brain, have brought him total admiration within the team’s workforce at their HQ in Woking, Surrey.

To witness his victory in atrocious conditions in the final race of last season in Brazil — his 15th victory — was to see the baton being passed from Hamilton to Button inside the team.
‘It’s the right place for me to be for the long term,’ said Button, 33. ‘Some people have left because they feel there is another challenge or something missing from their position.
‘There is still so much to achieve here. When we had the launch of our 2013 car, it was amazing to see cars representing 50 years of McLaren brought out; to look at the team’s history and the championships won. We really are a spectacular team.
‘I want to add to that history; not just this year, but for the coming years.’ Button is at his most dangerous in Melbourne, having won three of the past four Australian Grands Prix, although where McLaren’s performance is in relation to Red Bull, Ferrari, Lotus, or, for that matter, Mercedes is a mystery — 12 days of inconclusive winter testing offered fluctuating evidence of the pecking order we can expect Down Under.
‘It’s been an extremely hard-to-read winter,’ said Button. ‘Varying fuel loads and levels of tyre degradation mean it’s hard to predict accurately who will arrive in Australia with the best-sorted car. But I love the place.’

Hamilton has not taken a backward glance since he took the gamble last autumn of tying his future to Mercedes in exchange for a three-year contract worth £60million, with the freedom for his management company, XIX Entertainment, to broaden his commercial portfolio.
‘It needs to be made clear that it was more lucrative [in salary] to stay with McLaren,’ insisted Hamilton.
His motivation in moving from McLaren, where he could expect to challenge for the championship this season, is governed by an ambition to replicate what Michael Schumacher achieved, year after year, with Ferrari and what Vettel is accomplishing with his dominance at Red Bull. At McLaren, the hall of fame is inhabited by the ghost of Ayrton Senna.
At 28, Hamilton is arriving at his peak years with 21 victories already in a career that has never lacked controversy on the track, or off it. Perhaps he has never driven better than last year. ‘You want to be the one,’ he told a small gathering at the BRDC Clubhouse at Silverstone.

‘I was the one for a short period of time, as the youngest world champion, then I was toppled by Vettel. Fernando had his success. I expect myself to win.
'I expect myself to excel. Ultimately, I want to achieve greatness. I want to prove my abilities year after year. Michael is seen as an all-time great, Seb is, too. I want to be seen as great as well.’
In winter testing, Hamilton and Nico Rosberg have shown that Mercedes have made a startling improvement in performance after winning just one grand prix in the past three years.
‘I’m 100 per cent confident and happy with the decision that I made — and keeping myself out of trouble!’ said Hamilton.
‘The more time I spend at the factory the more excited I become. It’s just a beautiful place to be and I’m happier with the environment I’m in. I don’t have anything negative to say about McLaren — I was lucky to be given the opportunity by the team to get into Formula One.
‘Had I stayed I was guaranteed to be competitive.
'Yet I’m not looking to get one over McLaren. I know that I have gone to a team who have been unable to compete with the car I had last year — at some races, there was a deficit in qualifying of 1.9sec from Mercedes to McLaren — but we all have a hunger to change. I think Mercedes will impress this year.’
Hamilton will be driven to prove that he was correct to free himself from McLaren, where the management structure made him feel claustrophobic, to fulfil a search for ultimate greatness.
But with a nudge to his growing maturity, Hamilton said: ‘When I look at it sensibly, I realise I have quite a lot of time left.’
By Nin-Chin
#349076
It's relating to Button,if u read the top...where do u think I was supposed to post this
By Hammer278
#349077
It's mostly a Lewis article...maybe in the Lewis thread?
By Nin-Chin
#349078
I forgot about the Lewis thread
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By 1Lemon
#349152
It's relating to Button,if u read the top...where do u think I was supposed to post this


The only real link to button that post had was "FORGET BUTTON" before he admits that Alonso is his biggest threat. That SHOULD have been posted in the Hamilton thread. :director:
By Hammer278
#349153
Yeah but he "forgot" about the biggest thread in the forum. :P
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