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By racechick
#34563
I agree with Prost. When the chips are down i think Lewis would outdrive the iceman but boy would it be close and boy would it be fun!! (If the party spoilers kept out 8) )
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By 7UpJordan
#34566
Kimi can be lazy, and gets bored quickly. Take Fuji last season, he was hopeless at the start of the race - all over the place - but when it mattered he performed some seemingly impossible overtaking moves, which later helped him win the Championship in 2007.

And very brave too, especially the move around the outside of Coulthard.
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By McLaren Fan
#34589
I agree with Prost. When the chips are down i think Lewis would outdrive the iceman but boy would it be close and boy would it be fun!! (If the party spoilers kept out 8) )

I don't think there is any evidence to say that. Raikkonen is the fastest driver to hit Formula One since Hakkinen and has proven it. Hamilton has been spoon fed by McLaren and parachuted into the best car. Raikkonen, off form for a large chunk of last season, won two more races than Hamilton.

Hamilton is clearly very good, but I wish some people would get a sense of perspective. He is not the greatest rookie driver ever, for life is more than just 1,2,3s and ABCs. Just because he had a good 2007 does not mean he has earned his stripes as a driver and is the new face of Formula One. He is not the golden boy the British media would have us all believe: he acted unprofessionally at Monaco, he was out of line first in Hungary, and he tried to leave McLaren after all they did for him because they wanted to stay in Formula 3000 for another year. There's gratitude for you. :roll:
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By racechick
#34593
I agree with Prost. When the chips are down i think Lewis would outdrive the iceman but boy would it be close and boy would it be fun!! (If the party spoilers kept out 8) )

I don't think there is any evidence to say that. Raikkonen is the fastest driver to hit Formula One since Hakkinen and has proven it. Hamilton has been spoon fed by McLaren and parachuted into the best car. Raikkonen, off form for a large chunk of last season, won two more races than Hamilton.

Hamilton is clearly very good, but I wish some people would get a sense of perspective. He is not the greatest rookie driver ever, for life is more than just 1,2,3s and ABCs. Just because he had a good 2007 does not mean he has earned his stripes as a driver and is the new face of Formula One. He is not the golden boy the British media would have us all believe: he acted unprofessionally at Monaco, he was out of line first in Hungary, and he tried to leave McLaren after all they did for him because they wanted to stay in Formula 3000 for another year. There's gratitude for you. :roll:


Well I was on about his driving skills not his negotiating techniques. He was a rookie against a several year experienced and very fast kimi in a similar capability car, despite all the sideshows he still nearly beat him. I still think he is the best.
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By deMuRe
#34633
I agree with Prost. When the chips are down i think Lewis would outdrive the iceman but boy would it be close and boy would it be fun!! (If the party spoilers kept out 8) )

I don't think there is any evidence to say that. Raikkonen is the fastest driver to hit Formula One since Hakkinen and has proven it. Hamilton has been spoon fed by McLaren and parachuted into the best car. Raikkonen, off form for a large chunk of last season, won two more races than Hamilton.

Hamilton is clearly very good, but I wish some people would get a sense of perspective. He is not the greatest rookie driver ever, for life is more than just 1,2,3s and ABCs. Just because he had a good 2007 does not mean he has earned his stripes as a driver and is the new face of Formula One. He is not the golden boy the British media would have us all believe: he acted unprofessionally at Monaco, he was out of line first in Hungary, and he tried to leave McLaren after all they did for him because they wanted to stay in Formula 3000 for another year. There's gratitude for you. :roll:


Well I was on about his driving skills not his negotiating techniques. He was a rookie against a several year experienced and very fast kimi in a similar capability car, despite all the sideshows he still nearly beat him. I still think he is the best.


You're jumping the gun a bit there RaceChick. Political advantage within a team is vital to performance, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, they all fought for number 1 status. Towards the end of the season it was all about Lewis, I thought Alonso did a damn good job considering the Team Boss wanted him dead...

Lewis has had 1 season in arguably the fastest car on the grid AND spiritual number 1 status for the 2nd half of the season, I think it's a fraction too early to go around calling him 'The Best'.
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By McLaren Fan
#34659
You're jumping the gun a bit there RaceChick. Political advantage within a team is vital to performance, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, they all fought for number 1 status. Towards the end of the season it was all about Lewis, I thought Alonso did a damn good job considering the Team Boss wanted him dead...

Lewis has had 1 season in arguably the fastest car on the grid AND spiritual number 1 status for the 2nd half of the season, I think it's a fraction too early to go around calling him 'The Best'.

Utter rubbish DeMuRe. It's funny how you fail to mention that Alonso was given priority to win at Monaco and in Spain. It's funny how you fail to mention that he was incredibly anti-social at McLaren - and that's according to the mechanics and engineers, who said he really only spoke to his father and fitness trainer. It's also funny how you side-step his role in the spy scandal, wanting to test Ferrari intelligence and threatening to blackmail Ron Dennis. I would say he was very lucky to be driving for McLaren with a chance of winning the title at all.
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By 8-ball
#34661
I agree with Prost. When the chips are down i think Lewis would outdrive the iceman but boy would it be close and boy would it be fun!! (If the party spoilers kept out 8) )

I don't think there is any evidence to say that. Raikkonen is the fastest driver to hit Formula One since Hakkinen and has proven it. Hamilton has been spoon fed by McLaren and parachuted into the best car. Raikkonen, off form for a large chunk of last season, won two more races than Hamilton.

Hamilton is clearly very good, but I wish some people would get a sense of perspective. He is not the greatest rookie driver ever, for life is more than just 1,2,3s and ABCs. Just because he had a good 2007 does not mean he has earned his stripes as a driver and is the new face of Formula One. He is not the golden boy the British media would have us all believe: he acted unprofessionally at Monaco, he was out of line first in Hungary, and he tried to leave McLaren after all they did for him because they wanted to stay in Formula 3000 for another year. There's gratitude for you. :roll:


Well I was on about his driving skills not his negotiating techniques. He was a rookie against a several year experienced and very fast kimi in a similar capability car, despite all the sideshows he still nearly beat him. I still think he is the best.


You're jumping the gun a bit there RaceChick. Political advantage within a team is vital to performance, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, they all fought for number 1 status. Towards the end of the season it was all about Lewis, I thought Alonso did a damn good job considering the Team Boss wanted him dead...

Lewis has had 1 season in arguably the fastest car on the grid AND spiritual number 1 status for the 2nd half of the season, I think it's a fraction too early to go around calling him 'The Best'.


It is way too early to call him the best. Kimi is by far the best driver in the paddock and has been for a while. Now that Kimi and Lewis have established themselves as number 1 it will make for a much better comparison barring any FIA interference. But Lewis is nowhere near Kimi in terms of driving skill.
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By deMuRe
#34663
You're jumping the gun a bit there RaceChick. Political advantage within a team is vital to performance, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, they all fought for number 1 status. Towards the end of the season it was all about Lewis, I thought Alonso did a damn good job considering the Team Boss wanted him dead...

Lewis has had 1 season in arguably the fastest car on the grid AND spiritual number 1 status for the 2nd half of the season, I think it's a fraction too early to go around calling him 'The Best'.

Utter rubbish DeMuRe. It's funny how you fail to mention that Alonso was given priority to win at Monaco and in Spain. It's funny how you fail to mentio that he was incredibly anti-social at McLaren - and that's according to the mechanics and engineers, he really only spoke to his father and fitness trainer. It's also funny how you side-step his role in the spy scandal, wanting to test Ferrari intelligence and threatening to blackmail Ron Dennis. I would say he was very lucky to be driving for McLaren with a chance of winning the title at all.


Yeah yeah, I've read all the Brainwashing on Autosport as well, that's not how it went down.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines and question who is writing the information you are reading McLaren Fan, nobody is going to take you seriously if you are just regurgitating British Propoganda...

Hail Dennis!!
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By bud
#34667
You're jumping the gun a bit there RaceChick. Political advantage within a team is vital to performance, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, they all fought for number 1 status. Towards the end of the season it was all about Lewis, I thought Alonso did a damn good job considering the Team Boss wanted him dead...

Lewis has had 1 season in arguably the fastest car on the grid AND spiritual number 1 status for the 2nd half of the season, I think it's a fraction too early to go around calling him 'The Best'.

Utter rubbish DeMuRe. It's funny how you fail to mention that Alonso was given priority to win at Monaco and in Spain. It's funny how you fail to mentio that he was incredibly anti-social at McLaren - and that's according to the mechanics and engineers, he really only spoke to his father and fitness trainer. It's also funny how you side-step his role in the spy scandal, wanting to test Ferrari intelligence and threatening to blackmail Ron Dennis. I would say he was very lucky to be driving for McLaren with a chance of winning the title at all.


Yeah yeah, I've read all the Brainwashing on Autosport as well, that's not how it went down.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines and question who is writing the information you are reading McLaren Fan, nobody is going to take you seriously if you are just regurgitating British Propoganda...

Hail Dennis!!


ok wise one where do you get your read' between the lines information? do you go to italian news sites? hmm they wouldnt be biased maybe its the spanish? their not biased either
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By McLaren Fan
#34675
The thing is what I am saying is not biased. Alonso was given the priority pit-stop strategy at the Monaco Grand Prix, was given out-right priority to win the Spanish Grand Prix, did try to blackmail Ron Dennis, was anti-social, was up to his neck in Ferrari intelligence, and did try to bribe McLaren staff. There is no bias there; those are cold, hard facts.
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By deMuRe
#34683
The thing is what I am saying is not biased. Alonso was given the priority pit-stop strategy at the Monaco Grand Prix, was given out-right priority to win the Spanish Grand Prix, did try to blackmail Ron Dennis, was anti-social, was up to his neck in Ferrari intelligence, and did try to bribe McLaren staff. There is no bias there; those are cold, hard facts.


You're only looking at one side of the story...
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By McLaren Fan
#34689
The thing is what I am saying is not biased. Alonso was given the priority pit-stop strategy at the Monaco Grand Prix, was given out-right priority to win the Spanish Grand Prix, did try to blackmail Ron Dennis, was anti-social, was up to his neck in Ferrari intelligence, and did try to bribe McLaren staff. There is no bias there; those are cold, hard facts.


You're only looking at one side of the story...

So, you have moved from saying that, at best, those things have been made up and/or sexed up to make Alonso look bad, to they are all true but it's only one side of the story. In another, what, six months maybe you will say he did them and Hamilton was completely innocent!

Anyway, what is this other side of the story about which you speak? When you come to McLaren you do so on the basis that you race on pretty much equal terms with your team mate. If you can't hack that, either attempt to persuade the team to make you top-dog before signing which, in McLaren's case, is highly unlikely, or you don't come to McLaren. If you want to form relationships with the team, what you don't do is only speak to your father and trainer, and only when you have to, the team's staff. Further, you don't become involving a spy ring, indeed, nothing can excuse that (unless, of course, you are saying spying is legal, DeMuRe? The other side, of course). Nor do you try to blackmail your boss. Alonso is very lucky his jacksy was not kicked out of McLaren; Mercedes wanted him sacked.
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By racechick
#34718
I agree with Prost. When the chips are down i think Lewis would outdrive the iceman but boy would it be close and boy would it be fun!! (If the party spoilers kept out 8) )

I don't think there is any evidence to say that. Raikkonen is the fastest driver to hit Formula One since Hakkinen and has proven it. Hamilton has been spoon fed by McLaren and parachuted into the best car. Raikkonen, off form for a large chunk of last season, won two more races than Hamilton.

Hamilton is clearly very good, but I wish some people would get a sense of perspective. He is not the greatest rookie driver ever, for life is more than just 1,2,3s and ABCs. Just because he had a good 2007 does not mean he has earned his stripes as a driver and is the new face of Formula One. He is not the golden boy the British media would have us all believe: he acted unprofessionally at Monaco, he was out of line first in Hungary, and he tried to leave McLaren after all they did for him because they wanted to stay in Formula 3000 for another year. There's gratitude for you. :roll:


Well I was on about his driving skills not his negotiating techniques. He was a rookie against a several year experienced and very fast kimi in a similar capability car, despite all the sideshows he still nearly beat him. I still think he is the best.


You're jumping the gun a bit there RaceChick. Political advantage within a team is vital to performance, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, they all fought for number 1 status. Towards the end of the season it was all about Lewis, I thought Alonso did a damn good job considering the Team Boss wanted him dead...

Lewis has had 1 season in arguably the fastest car on the grid AND spiritual number 1 status for the 2nd half of the season, I think it's a fraction too early to go around calling him 'The Best'.


It is way too early to call him the best. Kimi is by far the best driver in the paddock and has been for a while. Now that Kimi and Lewis have established themselves as number 1 it will make for a much better comparison barring any FIA interference. But Lewis is nowhere near Kimi in terms of driving skill.


I think he is. Kimi is more experienced and unduubtedly very fast But how can you say Lewis is nowhere near? If he was nowhere near he would not nearly have beaten him last year.
Ok Lewis is my favourite driver and I think the most skilful, when he is a little more expeienced(Just a teeny bit)then he will be the best :D
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By texasmr2
#34789
Now that Lewis has that first season under his belt and has come to term's with the great pressure of knowing what it's like to be in F1 he will most definitely just get stronger and stronger. He has learned that outright speed does not alway's reap you the reward's of a championship so I see him really focusing on his race craft and overall, meaning the full season's, strategy to secure his WDC.

I also think that Kimi has learned more from this past season about what it take's to be a champion than he did in his whole previous F1 career. We are in for one of the greatest season's in F1 since Senna joined McLaren to battle Prost. Although seperate team's are involved and not team mate's the fight imho for the WDC is between just two driver's, Kimi and Lewis.

Only 11 day's to go woo hoo!!! :D
#34829
Although seperate team's are involved and not team mate's the fight imho for the WDC is between just two driver's, Kimi and Lewis.

Only 11 day's to go woo hoo!!! :D


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