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[spankyham]

Tyres for the first 4 races

[SoCalWJS]

Increased number of pit stops due to tire wear is the FIA's way of replacing the old fuel stops that factored into race strategy and they lead to more position changes.

Just read that Pirelli (assuming it really means FIA) is going to make it two steps between tire compounds instead of one for several of the first 4 races in order to make tire strategy even more important.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/02/l ... re-choice/

[killem2]

Unlimited tyres for qualifying please!

No kidding, I hate seeing those qualifying sessions where someone will cruise just to say they did a lap and not be dead last.

[LewEngBridewell]

Unlimited tyres for qualifying please!

No kidding, I hate seeing those qualifying sessions where someone will cruise just to say they did a lap and not be dead last.

Yep. I love the current qualifying system more than any other, but this issue with the tyres is spoiling it.

[andrew]

Unlimited tyres for qualifying please!

No kidding, I hate seeing those qualifying sessions where someone will cruise just to say they did a lap and not be dead last.

Yep. I love the current qualifying system more than any other, but this issue with the tyres is spoiling it.

The tyre rules are too restrictive. Far too Mickey Mouse compared to what they used to be.

[scotty]

In my view (think i've said this before here but who cares) they had a really good tyre rule circa 1997 where a team just picked one compound (back then hard or soft) before qualifying and had to stick with it for quali and the race. That threw up some really unpredictable races and strategies that season!

[What's Burning?]

In my view (think i've said this before here but who cares) they had a really good tyre rule circa 1997 where a team just picked one compound (back then hard or soft) before qualifying and had to stick with it for quali and the race. That threw up some really unpredictable races and strategies that season!

That coupled with refueling, I would agree. There would be quite a few races won by the strategist and number crunchers.

My ideal would be to bring back refueling, and have the tire manufacturer make the best tire they can, period. It's lunacy to ask a vendor to make something not as good as it could be. They're not asking Brembo to make brakes that don't work so well, so why do it with the tires?

[racechick]

[darwin dali]

They're not asking Brembo to make brakes that don't work so well, so why do it with the tires?

Hm, on second thoughts, maybe they should? Grosjean wouldn't look that bad anymore comparatively

[scotty]

In my view (think i've said this before here but who cares) they had a really good tyre rule circa 1997 where a team just picked one compound (back then hard or soft) before qualifying and had to stick with it for quali and the race. That threw up some really unpredictable races and strategies that season!

That coupled with refueling, I would agree. There would be quite a few races won by the strategist and number crunchers.

My ideal would be to bring back refueling, and have the tire manufacturer make the best tire they can, period. It's lunacy to ask a vendor to make something not as good as it could be. They're not asking Brembo to make brakes that don't work so well, so why do it with the tires?

Pirelli don't make purposefully crap tyres they just pick softer compounds that wear quicker. There is a difference there that must be understood. They could easily give tyres that last all race if they wanted, but the compound would be incredibly hard and much slower per lap. Are you saying you want that? Cause Pirelli already make the best tyre they can, it is in their interest to do so. In the same way, Bridgestone chose to give out harder compounds that lasted very easily (generally speaking), if they had given out softer tyres like Pirelli are doing then you'd be saying the same things about them. In the tyre war era, where technology advanced massively over a very short time, the compounds became softer and softer and stints became shorter because of that - but the tyres didn't get worse in terms of a performance balance (wear versus grip) - and there can be no doubt that anyone was making purposefully poor tyres during those years.

[racechick]

They couldn't make them purposefully poor then, because they were in a tyre war.they had to provide the best tyre for making the car go fast . Now there is no tyre war and Pirelli make what they're asked to make. And if the FIA say they want a tyre that stops cars racing flat out and shakes the grid up a bit, that's what Pirelli will make.

[scotty]

For making the car go fast they used softer and softer compounds of tyre, and it merely works the same way currently too, as i explained in my previous post.

No one is being stopped from racing flat out now. If the tyres lasted longer the cars wouldn't go as quickly - that isn't 'flat out' now, is it.

I really don't understand how this mentality has come about given that multiple stops being the quickest way to do a race distance is a very old phenomenon. Unless people are ONLY using 2010 as a basis for this.

[What's Burning?]

Conservative racing just isn't as 'fun' to watch, I'm being selfish. The big problem is that it's become so profoundly critical with pitstops to get it right or you're screwed and it really painful to watch a driver lose a race or a handful of positions because of a bad pitstop or two.

[andrew]

In my view (think i've said this before here but who cares) they had a really good tyre rule circa 1997 where a team just picked one compound (back then hard or soft) before qualifying and had to stick with it for quali and the race. That threw up some really unpredictable races and strategies that season!

The tyre rules were simple but effective.

[scotty]

Conservative racing just isn't as 'fun' to watch, I'm being selfish. The big problem is that it's become so profoundly critical with pitstops to get it right or you're screwed and it really painful to watch a driver lose a race or a handful of positions because of a bad pitstop or two.

But, do you not remember fuel rig problems? Pretty common and had the same effect...