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[racechick]

Interestingly on the front cover of Autosport is a quote from Button which says " the team have really listened to my direction"
And as has been pointed out he likes understeer.
No worries, if it understeer s and Button likes it, all's fine.

[Hammer278]

Interestingly on the front cover of Autosport is a quote from Button which says " the team have really listened to my direction"
And as has been pointed out he likes understeer.
No worries, if it understeer s and Button likes it, all's fine.

Perez is still going to kick his a*se anyway, and then we'll hear the trademark "NoGrip" dilemmas sooner or later.

[What's Burning?]

The Ferrari design team have done an exceptional job in the definition of the "coke bottle". Also look at the amount of just open space and how much of the floor that can be seen. They will have achieved this partly by shrinking and shaping things like the gearbox KERS etc, but, as others have noted, the sidepods, are higher than most other cars. They will pay a price in terms of COG, they gain a lot in terms of coke bottle and floor to get working. I don't think the sidepods on the F138 are in fact much (if at all) bigger than the smallest other ones, they are just high and, therefore give the illusion of being bigger.
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A more dramatic shot of the rear of the F138 is from the side where you almost have an unobstructed view of the tire on the opposite side of the car! It's like a Brazilian waxing back there!

[racechick]

Button stopped on track again, red flag. I think that might be it then for the day.

[CookinFlat6]

well well, the Mclaren has more understeer than any other, now we know this will be a result of trying to pamper Button who hates any over steer. quote]

Uhh.. no.

Try reading the quote.

I've been watching the McLaren on the track and it has more understeer than any other car, on a consistent basis. Sam said he wasn't worried - that it was caused by tyre graining on this aggressive track surface



Sounds like many of the cars are still outta wack over all. Glad to see Hamiliton got out of his crash ok, that could have been a very bad one. Testiment to saftey I suppose. I'm actually wondering how much faster the Maurissa will be with kers now.

not been funny mate, but Im not sure I get your point

[Hammer278]

Mercedes were aiming for 150 laps, they got 148 in. Job 99% done...hope they've caught up in terms of finding data.

[What's Burning?]

Mercedes were aiming for 150 laps, they got 148 in. Job 99% done...hope they've caught up in terms of finding data.

That's more like 98.75%.

[LRW]

Mercedes were aiming for 150 laps, they got 148 in. Job 99% done...hope they've caught up in terms of finding data.

That's more like 98.75%.

98.6666667%

[andrew]

I'd say 98.6666665%.

[Hammer278]

Mercedes were aiming for 150 laps, they got 148 in. Job 99% done...hope they've caught up in terms of finding data.

That's more like 98.75%.

Round it up to no decimal places...its a forum, not US GAAP.

[scotty]

Ferrari's Felipe Massa set the fastest time so far in pre-season testing on the third day of running at Jerez.

The Brazilian was nearly 0.887 seconds ahead of Nico Rosberg's Mercedes, with Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel third.

Rosberg completed more than 140 laps, an encouraging improvement for Mercedes after problems restricted the car to just 29 laps over the first two days of the test.

Thursday was the 2013 F1 debut for Vettel and Lotus's Kimi Raikkonen.

The three-time world champion took over the Red Bull from team-mate Mark Webber, who drove on Tuesday and Wednesday, and Vettel ended the day 1.173secs off Massa's pace-setting lap of one minute 17.879.

Raikkonen, third in the championship last year behind Vettel and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso, was fourth fastest ahead of Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne.

Force India's British simulator driver James Rossiter, 29, took over from race driver Paul di Resta for the afternoon and set the sixth fastest time, ahead of Jenson Button's McLaren.

The day's activities in southern Spain ended five minutes early when Button's car stopped out on the track as McLaren ran it dry - a standard procedure for teams to evaluate how well their fuel pick-up system is working.

Mexican novice Esteban Gutierrez, having his first run in the Sauber, was eighth fastest ahead of Williams new boy Valtteri Bottas, who was driving an modified 2012 car.

Force India had planned to put Di Resta back into the car for the final part of the day but an exhaust failure forced them to end running early.

Mercedes were trying to make up for time lost to the reliability problems in the first two days, when Rosberg suffered an electrical fault and Hamilton a brake failure.

Rosberg's laps total surpassed the number done by any car last year, which was his then-team-mate Michael Schumacher with 132.

But that was done in a 2011-spec car so for Rosberg to manage so many in one day in a new car is an encouraging sign for the team. The team were also trying a new front-wing design, which Rosberg said was "progress".

Rosberg said: "I have no idea how fast we are, but if look at what Ferrari have done I'm not worried about their time. We made up a lot of what we lost in the last two days and I'm sure will be the same tomorrow.

"We've just been unfortunate the last two days. They were problems that could easily have been avoided. Just unlucky and today showed we had a very reliable car."

Massa, who hands the car over to development driver Pedro de la Rosa for the final day on Friday, said: "It's always nice to see your name in first position but it doesn't count for anything.

"I'm sure there are a lot of very quick cars on the track and I'm not sure if we are in that position.

"We need to work a lot to be ready for the first race and make the car quicker all the time. I don't know if we are ready now but it was a positive start."

Vettel said he was encouraged by his first day in an F1 car this year.

"The target was to do many laps," he said. "So far we can be pretty happy.

"Mark had a good two days, I took over today. It was about cleaning off the rust. The car is working well.

"It's difficult to judge the speed, but the reliability was pretty good and I feel pretty happy with the car.

"I expect it to be at least as tight as last year. The regulations haven't really changed and if you are in the front it is hard to find something else that makes you quicker."

Lap times in winter testing are a notoriously unreliable means of predicting true form as it is impossible to know the specifications in which the cars are running.

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner predicted another competitive season.

"We've had reasonably stable regulations over the last four years and very stable regulations into this year," he said.

"All the cars you see are evolutions of 2012 cars. We had some great close racing last year and I think you're going to have the usual suspects hammering it out again this year."

[racechick]

It's good
Edit. I meant the running of the Mercedes, Scotty's post snuck in there....that of course may also be good, not read it yet, will do so now

Edit2. yep thumbs up to Scotty's post!

[LRW]

It's good
Edit. I meant the running of the Mercedes, Scotty's post snuck in there....that of course may also be good, not read it yet, will do so now

Edit2. yep thumbs up to Scotty's post!

I got bored after first paragraph. I'm lazy.

Give me the bullet points RC......

[Ferrari man 009]

Nice to see Massa and Ferrari on top, hopefully Ted Kravitz will finally have time in his notebook to explain his theory as to why Alobso dropped out of the 1st test!

[LRW]

Nice to see Massa and Ferrari on top, hopefully Ted Kravitz will finally have time in his notebook to explain his theory as to why Alobso dropped out of the 1st test!

I read it was because he wanted as many days as possible testing at a track more akin to what they race at, hence all his days at Barca. And not at the highly abrassive track that is Jerez, and doesn't give you a true feeling to what the car will be like.....