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[Hammer278]

Did Brawn have anything to do with that earth car? I thought he just put his hand up when Honda said "This sh*t is for sale" and took over from the END of the season.

[stonemonkey]

Did Brawn have anything to do with that earth car? I thought he just put his hand up when Honda said "This sh*t is for sale" and took over from the END of the season. I'm seeing people say Brawn was in charge of that mess of an earth car, which is simply complete crap.

Brawn worked for Honda for a few years before he bought the team, they were in a mess before the earth car and brought in Brawn to fix things. The earth car was run (with no sponsors) while Brawn resturctured the team and built what became the 2009 Brawn car. The earth car was a mess but it wasn't intended to be anything else.

[Jabberwocky]

I remember someone telling me the Earth Car was a diesel, that is why it was so slow lol

[darwin dali]

I remember someone telling me the Earth Car was a diesel, that is why it was so slow lol

Nope, it was a converted diesel running on french fries oil - very earthy and alternative.

[stonemonkey]

I remember someone telling me the Earth Car was a diesel, that is why it was so slow lol

Nope, it was a converted diesel running on french fries oil - very earthy and alternative.

Ah, so the hidden fuel tank was actually Jensons chip pan.

[Jabberwocky]

I must be green then i run my 4x4 on veg oil

[stonemonkey]

I must be green then i run my 4x4 on veg oil

Tut, u pay duty on that?

[bud]

Honda pulled out of the sport because of it, pretty big disaster i'd say.

I reckon Honda pulled out because they couldn't build an engine to compliment the car and it wouldn't have looked too good to be Honda-Mercedes.
IMO they did it to see their car win even though it wouldn't be their name on it or their engine in it.

The earth car's only job was to turn up for the races and possibly some evaluation while for 2 or 3 years Honda took the best of their own people and the best from Super Aguri along with their pooled resources and built 3 cars, the best of which was the car that gave Button the 2009 championship. Honda didn't pull out of F1 because of the earth car, they knew what it was and they knew what Brawn had built.

I'm pretty sure they pulled out of the sport because of costs during the financial crisis. 300million budget without a sponsor hurts. Throw ontop lack of success and that's all the board needs to vote to leave F1.

[stonemonkey]

Honda pulled out of the sport because of it, pretty big disaster i'd say.

I reckon Honda pulled out because they couldn't build an engine to compliment the car and it wouldn't have looked too good to be Honda-Mercedes.
IMO they did it to see their car win even though it wouldn't be their name on it or their engine in it.

The earth car's only job was to turn up for the races and possibly some evaluation while for 2 or 3 years Honda took the best of their own people and the best from Super Aguri along with their pooled resources and built 3 cars, the best of which was the car that gave Button the 2009 championship. Honda didn't pull out of F1 because of the earth car, they knew what it was and they knew what Brawn had built.

I'm pretty sure they pulled out of the sport because of costs during the financial crisis. 300million budget without a sponsor hurts. Throw ontop lack of success and that's all the board needs to vote to leave F1.

The lack of success in the previous years was with the aim of achieving success in 2009 which would have been very well understood by the board, Honda had put a lot in for the development for 2009 but comparatively little for the earth car, only enough to keep it running. Unless you think Brawn conspired against Honda and lied to them there is no doubt Honda knew about the car Brawn had built.
Pulling out when they did was throwing all that away, the car was unbeatable at the start and with Honda's backing it would probably have remained so throughout the season but that would only be the case with a decent engine and Honda could never admit they couldn't build an engine, not think it's strange that the Merc engine fitted straight in there?
As far as I can see Honda took a gamble and had the decency to plan for and bow out when they had to.

[bud]

I fail to see the logic in Honda willingly paying big sums of development money for someone else to reap the rewards of it all.
Honda unwillingly withdrew from F1, I recall their CEO almost crying at he announcement. And if Brawns success was all down to having a Merc Engine why was Mclaren 2 seconds off their pace in Australia? Getting the Merc engines was a last minute thing, there is no way Honda would have been privy to the Merc engines specs to design a car around it. All the suppliers offered their engines just so happens Mercs fit the best abd the fact it was also the most powerful made it an easy choice. If Honda had stuck it out one more season hey would have won probably even more races than what Brawn did because of their big budget, yes even with a Honda engine.

[Jabberwocky]

Maybe 09 with Honda still around the car could of been developed properly

[Jabberwocky]

I must be green then i run my 4x4 on veg oil

Tut, u pay duty on that?

I use less than 5000 Litres a year

[vaptin]

Yes, if Honda fully intended for the Earth car to be a dud, and were working towards 2009, it makes no sense for them to pull out half-way through.

[stonemonkey]

I fail to see the logic in Honda willingly paying big sums of development money for someone else to reap the rewards of it all.

When Brawn went in he stopped development of the current Honda and pooled the resources of both Honda and Super Aguri to concentrate solely on building a car with the 2009 rule changes in mind, they designed 3 different cars and selected the best to continue with. The Honda money went into that and the board knew exactly what was going on and how good a car they had, there is no logic to Honda just pulling out before they reap the rewards of that time, money and effort.

Honda unwillingly withdrew from F1, I recall their CEO almost crying at he announcement. And if Brawns success was all down to having a Merc Engine why was Mclaren 2 seconds off their pace in Australia?

You think a team can just bolt on an unplanned for engine, have it fit with the bodywork, mechanical, cooling and electrical systems etc. and instantly be 2 seconds quicker than the engine suppliers primary long time customer who had designed their car around that engine?

Getting the Merc engines was a last minute thing, there is no way Honda would have been privy to the Merc engines specs to design a car around it.

I don't see why not, Merc were in the business of supplying engines and they must make some of the specs available to potential customers.

All the suppliers offered their engines just so happens Mercs fit the best abd the fact it was also the most powerful made it an easy choice. If Honda had stuck it out one more season hey would have won probably even more races than what Brawn did because of their big budget, yes even with a Honda engine.

I think they would've been struggling if the engine was anything like the Honda of the previous few years.

[What's Burning?]

If Honda would have stuck with it, Mercedes would not have come into the sport.