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[Jabberwocky]

can a journeyman also be a champion?

[andrew]

If they land in the right car at the right time in the right team then quite possibly.

[Jabberwocky]

Isn't that all part of being a good driver, picking the right team to be in at the right time?

[andrew]

I would say so.

[Hammer278]

Isn't that all part of being a good driver, picking the right team to be in at the right time?

So when Honda pulled out of the sport after their worst season in history and the team was up in the air as Anonymous, would Button have chosen to remain there if other teams had shown any interest in signing him?

Oh yes I'm sure he would've stayed since he's so talented, he knew Honda will be bought by Brawn and will be world beating car in 2009. No luck, no fortune involved whatsoever.

[Jabberwocky]

Look at his career, He drivers for Williams, and then gets ousted for Montoya just as Williams have there best years in a long time. So he moves to Renault and the same happens so he makes way for Alonso and then he wins his 2 championship. He moves to BAR/Honda/Brawn. Brawn had said for most of 2008 that they had shifted their focus onto 2009, that is why Honda had such a bad year (admittedly that Honda was terrible from the start) 2009 was the first real car that was under Brawns charge.
2010 did he sell out for the money or did he know that BrawnGP had been that run down and ragged that it would take a long time to come back... if it ever does.

[Jabberwocky]

Plus the Honda pull out was that late in the year that everywhere else was full

[Hammer278]

Look at his career, He drivers for Williams, and then gets ousted for Montoya just as Williams have there best years in a long time. So he moves to Renault and the same happens so he makes way for Alonso and then he wins his 2 championship. He moves to BAR/Honda/Brawn. Brawn had said for most of 2008 that they had shifted their focus onto 2009, that is why Honda had such a bad year (admittedly that Honda was terrible from the start) 2009 was the first real car that was under Brawns charge.
2010 did he sell out for the money or did he know that BrawnGP had been that run down and ragged that it would take a long time to come back... if it ever does.

So whenever a team boss thought they had a serious car, they kicked this guy out....until finally a defunct team is stuck with him and the car turns out to be an absolute monster by which we get the most unworthy WDC in F1 history.

How is any of what you said backing up the point, "Part of being a good driver is ending up in a good team"? I just don't follow this logic.

[Jabberwocky]

because he reads well when a team is going to become good, unfortunately he normally gets moved on before the team hits it's zenith.

[Hammer278]

because he reads well when a team is going to become good, unfortunately he normally gets moved on before the team hits it's zenith.

So he reads well when a....

And then he gets kicked...

And this proves he's good....

[AKR]

I predict the winner will be an f1 driver in an f1 car. Having said that I hope it isn't Vettel or Red Bull. It's about time his run of luckiness (2010 & 2012) ends. By the way I refer to Vettel's drivers titles and not red bull's constructors titles.

[andrew]

So you looking for Alonso to get lucky then?

Vettel ain't luck - it's pure skill.

[racechick]

He was damn lucky to finish that race when he was sitting backwards with all the cars coming towards him, and then another hit! You only have to kiss some cars and they break!!

[LewEngBridewell]

Luck or not, Interlagos 2012 was a cracking title decider

[bud]

I don't believe in luck, Only bad luck... Oxymoron!