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[spankyham]

I've been on the record for long time on most of the issues discussed here.

1) New turbo engine = total rubbish and waste of time/energy/money. Spending a fortune to build an engine that is about as powerful as the current GP2 donks - phtoey

2) F1 relevance to motor industry - this is a load of hogwash and and anathema to what F1 is and should be, ie the pinnacle of motor sport racing. Anyone wanting to support electric cars racing, or green environmentally friendly cars racing, go right ahead, start your own competition and see how many people are attracted - just piss off and leave F1 alone.

3) Electric is green. Simply a great lie dumped on the general public who lap it up because some idiots add the words green when they explain it. Oil is in plentiful supply all around the globe. The rare earths mined and needed for batteries are rarer than rocking horse poo. Worse still nearly the entire planets production come from one country (China) where the people mining it would consider the work practices building the pyramids of giza as a major improvement.

[racechick]

I've been on the record for long time on most of the issues discussed here.

1) New turbo engine = total rubbish and waste of time/energy/money. Spending a fortune to build an engine that is about as powerful as the current GP2 donks - phtoey

2) F1 relevance to motor industry - this is a load of hogwash and and anathema to what F1 is and should be, ie the pinnacle of motor sport racing. Anyone wanting to support electric cars racing, or green environmentally friendly cars racing, go right ahead, start your own competition and see how many people are attracted - just piss off and leave F1 alone.

3) Electric is green. Simply a great lie dumped on the general public who lap it up because some idiots add the words green when they explain it. Oil is in plentiful supply all around the globe. The rare earths mined and needed for batteries are rarer than rocking horse poo. Worse still nearly the entire planets production come from one country (China) where the people mining it would consider the work practices building the pyramids of giza as a major improvement.

on all three points.

[andrew]

I've been on the record for long time on most of the issues discussed here.

1) New turbo engine = total rubbish and waste of time/energy/money. Spending a fortune to build an engine that is about as powerful as the current GP2 donks - phtoey

Slowing the cars down should improve overtaking as everything won't take less time that a blink of an eye. Plus this should save fuel and thus lower costs.

2) F1 relevance to motor industry - this is a load of hogwash and and anathema to what F1 is and should be, ie the pinnacle of motor sport racing. Anyone wanting to support electric cars racing, or green environmentally friendly cars racing, go right ahead, start your own competition and see how many people are attracted - just piss off and leave F1 alone.

F1 can still be the pinnacle of motorsport and be relevant to the motor industry. Part of F1 is about innovation and developing/show-casing new technologies. It's all about the engineering challenge, which will still be present.

3) Electric is green. Simply a great lie dumped on the general public who lap it up because some idiots add the words green when they explain it. Oil is in plentiful supply all around the globe. The rare earths mined and needed for batteries are rarer than rocking horse poo. Worse still nearly the entire planets production come from one country (China) where the people mining it would consider the work practices building the pyramids of giza as a major improvement.

True, electric is not green however oil that is cost effective to produce is not in plentiful supply. As far as the North Sea is concerned, the easy to get oil is running out. So now oil wells are becoming more and more expensive to develop and run, especially where older rigs that have to be modernised are being used.

[scotty]

Why the hell wouldn't you want to have the extra power KERS generates? Seems utterly nuts to me. Really don't see the problem.

[spankyham]

Why the hell wouldn't you want to have the extra power KERS generates? Seems utterly nuts to me. Really don't see the problem.

Completely agree with the extra power, my question would be why do it with KERS? Its the antithesis of green and, even worse, its quiet

[spankyham]

Slowing the cars down should improve overtaking as everything won't take less time that a blink of an eye. Plus this should save fuel and thus lower costs.

Think about what you're saying here... slowing cars down? Really? You want to see racing cars going slower?
This is just my opinion, but every time I hear people talk about "saving fuel" or "lowering costs" I associate them with lesser/lower ranks of motor sport. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the F1 kitchen

F1 can still be the pinnacle of motorsport and be relevant to the motor industry. Part of F1 is about innovation and developing/show-casing new technologies. It's all about the engineering challenge, which will still be present.

Again, and this is me speaking for myself, I don't want or care about any F1 relevance to the motor industry. The relevance is to being at the pinnacle - whatever that takes.

Consider this - say to a creative genius/engineer/designer "create the fastest car possible" - consider what he comes up with. Now say to the same guy create the fastest mass producible/sell-able car you can think of? I guarantee you the results will be vastly different and, I can also guarantee you I'd choose to watch the cars from the first scenario race.

True, electric is not green however oil that is cost effective to produce is not in plentiful supply. As far as the North Sea is concerned, the easy to get oil is running out. So now oil wells are becoming more and more expensive to develop and run, especially where older rigs that have to be modernised are being used.

All true of course, they all have limited supply. The irony is the far scarcer one is being touted as the way to go - funny really
In the end, if people are interested in racing that serves a purpose of proving how efficient we can be they should go watch the Darwin to Adelaide solar car race.

[What's Burning?]

One quarter of the races in the calendar should be endurance races. Six hours in length where there is only one car shared by both team drivers. that would be SO much fun.

[spankyham]

One quarter of the races in the calendar should be endurance races. Six hours in length where there is only one car shared by both team drivers. that would be SO much fun.

They used to be 500Klm races and were cut back, it would be great to see some longer GP's. Make the Australian GP 1000Klms and run it at Bathurst.

[darwin dali]

ESPNF1:

Charlie Whiting says the 2014 engines "are not going to be silent" and that people will become used to them "pretty quickly".

Bernie Ecclestone has previously voiced his concern at the expected sound from the new V6-turbos, saying that the lack of noise compared to the current engines will diminish the sport's appeal. However, Whiting - who is the FIA's head of the Formula One technical department - says he's looking forward to the new units coming in to the sport and believes they will not be as bad as Ecclestone claims.

"It's a big challenge, a very big challenge for the engine manufacturers," Whiting told PeterWindsor.com. "I'm looking forward to seeing the engines run - to see how complicated they are and how clever they are. They're going to be extremely high-tech power units, that's for sure.

"As for the sound, I think people will get used to it pretty quickly. Honestly, when I think back to the old BMW four cylinder engine we ran in the Brabham days, that revved to 11,000rpm and it sounded fine. The new engines are not going to be silent. The sound is going to be different but people will get used to it very quickly, I think."



I do look forward to the complexity of the new engines and the various ways the manufacturers tackle them. Could be also interesting to see liability issues influencing at least the first season with them.

[andrew]

Surely the sound of the engines forms only a very small part of the attraction? I think the engines in the mid-90's sounded much better than the screeching banshees currently used in F1.

F1 will always be a draw as long as the racing is entertaining. It's a pity that the changes to the aero reg's have been greatly reduced as I think that the combination of new engine reg's and new aero reg's would have been a very interesting period for F1.

One of the big questions for me is how long until the engine reg's are changed again?

[What's Burning?]

I'm perfectly okay with turbos, it's the way of future performance in racing, 12 cylinder engines are a beautiful remnant of the past as much as we all hate to let them go, a 6 cylinder F1 turbo engine could generate thrice the horsepower of anything a normally aspirated eight or even ten cylinder engine could.

[Jabberwocky]

Bring back the DVF

[cheekybru]

Seems to me making F1 cars run on electric only in the pit lane is like ordering a diet coke with a super size big mac meal.

SO responsible of them...

[bud]

Seems a lot of people stuck in the old school way of thinking don't realise that all throughout F1's history it has evolved with the times. By all means if you do not like change why don't we go back to the 1950's spec of car?
Some of you must realise that in order to stay relevant it must move with the current "auto climate" and by introducing green technology is to help push that technology development further and further!

[Hammer278]

Seems a lot of people stuck in the old school way of thinking don't realise that all throughout F1's history it has evolved with the times. By all means if you do not like change why don't we go back to the 1950's spec of car?
Some of you must realise that in order to stay relevant it must move with the current "auto climate" and by introducing green technology is to help push that technology development further and further!

Agree with this...but my fear is if they incorporate full electric engines one day we're going to lose the sound factor. I mean the most talked about aspect of attending a GP (in my experience at least) is the sheer volume the engines generate and that's what attracts casual car fans to attend and experience the sport.

If you listen to clips of the late 90s cars which had those awesome V10s right now, you're going to miss it no question about it!