Alternative history: 2012 championship without misfortune

Re: Alternative history: 2012 championship without misfortun#339400

By andrew - 13 Dec 12, 18:14

- 13 Dec 12, 18:14#339400

Mechanical failures are not predominantly luck/fortune issues IMO. Some teams, through hard work, will do better jobs than others in creating and testing parts. Some teams will design parts with lesser degrees of tolerance to gain slight performance advantages. Therefore, it is nonsense to put mechanical failures completely down to misfortune.

exactly, you could equally say Alonso had "misfortune" as his car was awful and not worthy of winning a race!

You don't finish 2nd in the championship by having an awful car.

Re: Alternative history: 2012 championship without misfortun#339402

By bud - 13 Dec 12, 18:24

- 13 Dec 12, 18:24#339402

Fernando lost in reality and in a fans hyperthetical scenario so I don't know what you Ferrari boys are worrying about!

Re: Alternative history: 2012 championship without misfortun#339405

By Ferrari man 009 - 13 Dec 12, 19:12

- 13 Dec 12, 19:12#339405

Fernando lost in reality and in a fans hyperthetical scenario so I don't know what you Ferrari boys are worrying about!

I can take losing in reality (Vettel is a worthy champion - he took advantage of a quick car and won more races), but to indicate that Alonso was "lucky" to only lose the championship by 3 points is a load of rubbish!

Re: Alternative history: 2012 championship without misfortun#339409

By mnmracer - 13 Dec 12, 20:01

- 13 Dec 12, 20:01#339409

When we have people saying, or thinking, things like "if Alonso was driving that Red Bull in 2010/2012" or "if Räikkönen was driving that McLaren/Red Bull in 2012" they would have walked the championship, implicating that Vettel and Hamilton underperformed. This is just to put things into context. Hamilton did not finish this year back in 4th because he underperformed, it's because his McLaren let him down. If Alonso had been driving the RB6 and had all the car problems that came with it, he too would have taken to the last race before winning the title.

It's not to say Alonso was more lucky to have a slightly slower but more reliable car, it is to put in perception a drivers' performance in relation to their expected results.

The less intelligent observers say anyone could do it in that car.

Re: Alternative history: 2012 championship without misfortun#339412

By andrew - 13 Dec 12, 20:41

- 13 Dec 12, 20:41#339412

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?

Re: Alternative history: 2012 championship without misfortun#339414

By bud - 13 Dec 12, 20:56

- 13 Dec 12, 20:56#339414

Fernando lost in reality and in a fans hyperthetical scenario so I don't know what you Ferrari boys are worrying about!

I can take losing in reality (Vettel is a worthy champion - he took advantage of a quick car and won more races), but to indicate that Alonso was "lucky" to only lose the championship by 3 points is a load of rubbish!

From a drivers stand point taking into account factors beyond their control(which is what mnmracer is doing), he was.