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[Hammer278]

Actually Hammer it's a direct comparison of a driver pairing over their time as team mates. Comparing each drivers entire F1 career is totally pointless in this as they have taken different route to get into a front running team. Comparing their time together in the same car is the only sensible thing to do. But hey, twist the facts how ever you like, I don't really care. I'm more than happy to say that they are pretty much evenly matched if you look at the overall points total.

I don't mean to be argumentative here, but in 2007, Lewis was in a winning car, whereas Jenson seriously wasn't. The latter has had some dogs of cars to deal with in his time at BAR/Honda.

Again, I don't wish to stir the pot, but when comparing overall stats, such things must be taken into account?

Yep, but the stats on the previous page are about their time at McLaren only and is the only direct comparison that can be made between the 2 for the reason you mention.

Double standards. If you can twist facts by totalling THREE Seasons worth of points, my point is we can do anything.

The stats show the drivers as being equal, but the only stat that matters is the points total at the end of EACH season. This shows Hamilton 2, Button 1. End of story. But the only stat which is favour of Button is magnified and put forward as a case stating both drivers as "equal" which is pretty idiotic to be honest. Especially when you consider the amount of sh*t Hamiton had thrown at him this season in terms of reliabilities while leading, crashes due to others...but noooooooo its Hamilton so lets just disregard all that since it won't help Buttons stats. Epitome of hypocrisy.

[andrew]

Like I said, I'm more than happy with my opinion that both drivers are pretty much equal.

[Hammer278]

Like I said, I'm more than happy with my opinion that both drivers are pretty much equal.

Well good for you, but when Hamiltons concerned its safe to say your opinion is as good as nothing.

[Jabberwocky]

Hamilton may have won idividual skirmishes, but looking at the overall points tally Button won the war. Of course if you want to waste your time looking at hypotheticals then Hamilton could potentially have had more points but the fact is he doesn't. However the points totals are so close it's nigh impossible to say that one is better than the other over a period of 3 years.

LOL..this one takes the cake. F1 measures everything in ONE season, not 3. You don't win a WDC by totaling points of 3 seasons.

Button wins the war? You f**king kidding me? He won 1/3 wars, not the entire war. If you want to compare 3 seasons, why not compare their overall statistics in Formula 1?

Here we go:

BUtton
Nationality Great Britain
Age 32 years 317 days
First Grand Prix 2000
Championships 1
Career 2012
Races 230 20
Wins (Best) 15 3
Poles (Best) 8 1

Hamilton

Lewis Hamilton
Nationality Great Britain
Age 27 years 329 days
First Grand Prix 2007
Championships 1
Career 2012
Races 110 20
Wins (Best) 21 4
Poles (Best) 26 7

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How pathetic....an extra 120 races and Buttons achieved so much less than Hamilton. Don't give me sh*t like "bad cars bad seasons" after all, you Button glorifiers only care about facts, well here they are.

So now you are penalizing Jenson for not entering F1 with a silver spoon in his mouth. Jenson had to work to get a decent car, and not be gifted it by uncle Ron

using phone, so beware of predictive text errors.

[andrew]

Like I said, I'm more than happy with my opinion that both drivers are pretty much equal.

Well good for you, but when Hamiltons concerned its safe to say your opinion is as good as nothing.

[Hammer278]

So now you are penalizing Jenson for not entering F1 with a silver spoon in his mouth. Jenson had to work to get a decent car, and not be gifted it by uncle Ron

using phone, so beware of predictive text errors.

No penalties, just facts...facts and figures which matter at the end. I mean, we have stupid comparisons like points total of THREE Seasons and what not going on here, so why not simply take their overall careers?

FYI, Button is the guy who had a silver spoon in his mouth the entire time....coming from a wealthy family and giving some average drives in lower formulas to end up in F1 at such an early age.

Hamilton's old man dedicated his career to funding Lewis and its simply skill and determination which caught McLarens eye...its not like Dennis was at Hamiltons cot promising him funding to race. Skill gets you what you deserve, just because he got a good car in the end doesn't mean a silver spoon, it's simply talent.

[LewEngBridewell]

I suppose a McLaren is actually a chrome spoon

[racechick]

2009 was no silver spoon, it was a dog.

And Andrew, you take any opportunity to knock Hamilton, so how can your view on this be taken seriously? Perhaps you feel like this because had Hamilton had a reliable car and no crash kids he'd have beaten Vettel, So you have to play down the unreliability and bad luck Hamilton had.

Anyone seen the stats for when Hamilton and Button have actually gone head to head over their three years together? That makes interesting reading.

[Jabberwocky]

So now you are penalizing Jenson for not entering F1 with a silver spoon in his mouth. Jenson had to work to get a decent car, and not be gifted it by uncle Ron

using phone, so beware of predictive text errors.

No penalties, just facts...facts and figures which matter at the end. I mean, we have stupid comparisons like points total of THREE Seasons and what not going on here, so why not simply take their overall careers?

FYI, Button is the guy who had a silver spoon in his mouth the entire time....coming from a wealthy family and giving some average drives in lower formulas to end up in F1 at such an early age.

Hamilton's old man dedicated his career to funding Lewis and its simply skill and determination which caught McLarens eye...its not like Dennis was at Hamiltons cot promising him funding to race. Skill gets you what you deserve, just because he got a good car in the end doesn't mean a silver spoon, it's simply talent.

So coming into F1 in a Mclaren is not an advantage over coming into a lesser team and getting picked on skill and talent? look at Alonso he did his apprenticeship in Minardi!

using phone, so beware of predictive text errors.

[andrew]

And Andrew, you take any opportunity to knock Hamilton, so how can your view on this be taken seriously? Perhaps you feel like this because had Hamilton had a reliable car and no crash kids he'd have beaten Vettel, So you have to play down the unreliability and bad luck Hamilton had.

So how am I knocking Hamilton here? How is saying that him and Button pretty much equal knoking anyone?! Surely it's a compliment to both good drivers for being so evenly matched (which they are if you look at the bigger picture). I'm not playing down anything at all. But hey, you feel free to jump to any incorrect conclusions about me that you want to. Doesn't really concern me.

[What's Burning?]

I'm sorry, am I missing something. Are people actually trying to use statistics to say Button is a better driver than Lewis?

They wouldn't dare... I think they're using statistics to say Button is an equal driver to Lewis.

[What's Burning?]

I'm sorry, am I missing something. Are people actually trying to use statistics to say Button is a better driver than Lewis?

Looking at the total points scores they're pretty much equal. There's not a lot in it. Can't be many more driver pairings that close.

So do football championships take into consideration goals scored in last year's matches? You're being... well, you're being Andrew... so why don't run along and enjoy Vettel's championship now?

[What's Burning?]

Jenson is the best driver ever. Don't argue with me. Or I will throw toys out the pram. Mer mer mer.

Insert Vettel and you've got the profile right.

[Hammer278]

So now you are penalizing Jenson for not entering F1 with a silver spoon in his mouth. Jenson had to work to get a decent car, and not be gifted it by uncle Ron

using phone, so beware of predictive text errors.

No penalties, just facts...facts and figures which matter at the end. I mean, we have stupid comparisons like points total of THREE Seasons and what not going on here, so why not simply take their overall careers?

FYI, Button is the guy who had a silver spoon in his mouth the entire time....coming from a wealthy family and giving some average drives in lower formulas to end up in F1 at such an early age.

Hamilton's old man dedicated his career to funding Lewis and its simply skill and determination which caught McLarens eye...its not like Dennis was at Hamiltons cot promising him funding to race. Skill gets you what you deserve, just because he got a good car in the end doesn't mean a silver spoon, it's simply talent.

So coming into F1 in a Mclaren is not an advantage over coming into a lesser team and getting picked on skill and talent? look at Alonso he did his apprenticeship in Minardi!

using phone, so beware of predictive text errors.

Button getting picked on skill and talent? Ok, let's just keep it simple and talk about Alonso...

Sure, Alonso got picked based on skill and talent due to what he showed in Minardi. So is it only legit for a team to pick a driver based on their skill what they show in F1?? You think McLaren were just keeping a free seat open at McLaren for Lewis to jump into? Short memory....that season they were even considering DeLarosa to take up the seat next to Alonso but in after long long deliberations, they 'risked' it with Hamilton. Lewis was actually delayed a year or two when he could've joined F1 earlier but chose instead to 'gain more experience' as he put it when asked in interviews after his race wins pre-F1. Did you see those?

Button joined F1 at 20 years old, and got spanked by Ralf Schumacher in his rookie year. He was heralded as the next GREAT because he scored a few points in that season....compare that with what Hamilton achieved in HIS rookie year alongside someone who is heralded as 'the best in Formula 1' today?

If Lewis joined a top team immediately, you can never say it wasn't justified. Button joined F1, started partying and chilling in the playboy lifestyle and drove dogs because only dogs were available for a driver of his motivation/talent. 2009 was the magic year which put him in a situation no other driver had ever been in in the history of Formula 1, and that allowed him into the gates of McLaren...who had him as their 3rd choice since Rosberg and another (cant recall now) driver were already signed up.

[What's Burning?]

Like I said, I'm more than happy with my opinion that both drivers are pretty much equal.

your opinion on things has a tendency to change as often as the direction of the wind.

I get it, Button beat Hamilton on points over three years and that's all that matters.

Why don't we leave this thread be since we've established that, and enjoy the comparisons how Button will trounce Hamilton in every category looking forward to next year.