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[racechick]

I'm sorry, am I missing something. Are people actually trying to use statistics to say Button is a better driver than Lewis?

I seriously think they are. Or at least to try to say they're of similar calibre.

[LewEngBridewell]

Jenson is the best driver ever. Don't argue with me. Or I will throw toys out the pram. Mer mer mer.

[andrew]

[Nin-Chin]

Lewis was better than JB,ignore 2011,2012 he has driven like a man posessed,so much better than before,only to see him take pole then retire in race through no fault of his own,recovering from constant failures from the Mclaren team,pit stops,gearbox,fuel pumps,suspensions,rear anti-roll bars,taken out by other drivers,fuel fails.

Lewis lost 3 wins(possibly 4(Spain))thats 75 to 100 points lost,thats even before I get to the maths from other events,the pit stops,suspensions,rear anti-roll bars,taken out by other drivers(Maldonado,Grosjean(Hulkenburg cost him a win) he should have won the title.Despite all this he still beat JB in this years standings.My sig also points out a fact.

[racechick]

Lew, I didn't have you down as a toy thrower! Hmmmmmmm.

[LewEngBridewell]

:yikes: Lew, I didn't have you down as a toy thrower! Hmmmmmmm.

[Nin-Chin]

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[vlad]

Button was consistent, that's all there is to it. Hamilton was really good this season, terrible last season, and also good 2 seasons ago. So, not consistent. Like I said, they were the best matching for a Formula 1 team. Everything the one had, the other did less and opposite.

[racechick]

You think Jenson was consistent this year? There you go you see. I accept Hamilton had his worst year ever last year, but if he'd had the McLaren doing what Jenson did with It mid season this year, the inquests would be merciless. But when it's Jens, he's still Mr, Consistent. Double standards!!

[andrew]

Hamilton may have won idividual skirmishes, but looking at the overall points tally Button won the war. Of course if you want to waste your time looking at hypotheticals then Hamilton could potentially have had more points but the fact is he doesn't. However the points totals are so close it's nigh impossible to say that one is better than the other over a period of 3 years.

[Hammer278]

Button was consistent, that's all there is to it. Hamilton was really good this season, terrible last season, and also good 2 seasons ago. So, not consistent. Like I said, they were the best matching for a Formula 1 team. Everything the one had, the other did less and opposite.

Button was consistent this year? Your bias knows no bounds at times, he was practically on vacation for 6 races in a row. Yet, Hamilton who had a few crashes last season had a "terrible" season in your analysis, yeah right.

[Hammer278]

Hamilton may have won idividual skirmishes, but looking at the overall points tally Button won the war. Of course if you want to waste your time looking at hypotheticals then Hamilton could potentially have had more points but the fact is he doesn't. However the points totals are so close it's nigh impossible to say that one is better than the other over a period of 3 years.

LOL..this one takes the cake. F1 measures everything in ONE season, not 3. You don't win a WDC by totaling points of 3 seasons.

Button wins the war? You f**king kidding me? He won 1/3 wars, not the entire war. If you want to compare 3 seasons, why not compare their overall statistics in Formula 1?

Here we go:

BUtton
Nationality Great Britain
Age 32 years 317 days
First Grand Prix 2000
Championships 1
Career 2012
Races 230 20
Wins (Best) 15 3
Poles (Best) 8 1

Hamilton

Lewis Hamilton
Nationality Great Britain
Age 27 years 329 days
First Grand Prix 2007
Championships 1
Career 2012
Races 110 20
Wins (Best) 21 4
Poles (Best) 26 7

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How pathetic....an extra 120 races and Buttons achieved so much less than Hamilton. Don't give me sh*t like "bad cars bad seasons" after all, you Button glorifiers only care about facts, well here they are.

[LewEngBridewell]

I don't mean to be argumentative here, but in 2007, Lewis was in a winning car, whereas Jenson seriously wasn't. The latter has had some dogs of cars to deal with in his time at BAR/Honda, and the Renault and Williams were not the best either.

Again, I don't wish to stir the pot, but when comparing overall stats, such things must be taken into account?

[Hammer278]

I don't mean to be argumentative here, but in 2007, Lewis was in a winning car, whereas Jenson seriously wasn't. The latter has had some dogs of cars to deal with in his time at BAR/Honda.

Again, I don't wish to stir the pot, but when comparing overall stats, such things must be taken into account?

Why take those into account? in the end vlad and andrew says its the numbers that matter. Hamiltons lost points due to team f**kups do not matter since whatifs get you nowhere. So lets not waste time talking 'whatif' Button had a better car, it didnt happen so nobody cares what cars he was driving, the overall stats show Button as a much lesser driver than Hamilton - fact. Black and white, just like how the Hamilton detractors like it!

[andrew]

Actually Hammer it's a direct comparison of a driver pairing over their time as team mates. Comparing each drivers entire F1 career is totally pointless in this as they have taken different route to get into a front running team. Comparing their time together in the same car is the only sensible thing to do. But hey, twist the facts how ever you like, I don't really care. I'm more than happy to say that they are pretty much evenly matched if you look at the overall points total.

I don't mean to be argumentative here, but in 2007, Lewis was in a winning car, whereas Jenson seriously wasn't. The latter has had some dogs of cars to deal with in his time at BAR/Honda.

Again, I don't wish to stir the pot, but when comparing overall stats, such things must be taken into account?

Yep, but the stats on the previous page are about their time at McLaren only and is the only direct comparison that can be made between the 2 for the reason you mention.