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[darwin dali]

I have it from trusted sources: BE and MM are emissaries from the Dominion. Their mission is to unify all open-wheel race car series (first step just happened), then swallow all other series, followed by football/soccer and eventually all sports. Once that's accomplished they both will run for office to unify and dominate the entire Earth in the year 2030 - signed 100-year contract and everything. Hail to the commander in chief!

[stonemonkey]

Sorry DD, I believe your sources are wrong. Bernie is a Ferengi.

Profit!

[Stealthgate007]

If you are McLaren, where do you shut the door (if Possible). Last year could they opted to sit the rest of the year out? In effect save money for 2008? I know that they have sponsor commitments, but $100m US is a lot of money, especially in retrospect to a new report showing that they were making money in 2005, but lost money in 2006, and their only value at this point consists of property and state of the art facilities with an underground wind tunnel.

In short, why did they not just say, if you take my toys then I'm not playing.. F-U FIA. I say this because, why should all the pressure be on McLaren? The FIA has to be to blame.

Does the FIA have more credibility than McLaren? And would they be glad to see Mclaren drop out? Did they fine them just enough so they couldn't leave F1 and staying is just as bad?

I know that Ron Dennis' pride would never let this happen, but just a thought.

[racechick]

Thats an interesting take. I would love to know what really happenned. I wonder if it will ever come out? maybe in an autobiography.

[phren]

Are we forgetting Bernie's statement from a few years ago that "F1 is a Ferrari invatational"? And that "What's good for Ferrari is good for F1"? Bernie Evilstone and "madder than the average" Mosely have a vested interest in FIAT doing well. I would believe almost anything regarding Mosely and anything regarding Evilstone.
I stopped watching when MTTA Mosly began his rule change campaign a decade ago (most of which appeared contrived to combat the technical expertise of Uncle Ron and the Woking boys). I believe that if F1 had been given the technical go ahead, which as F1 it should have had, we would have seen the demise of Evilstone and Mad Max. FIAT would have had to invest and they would not have been able to hold up agianst Technique Avant Gard inovation. I also think Williams would have had a better time as Patrick Head has/had an engineers mindset.
Electronic control, cool. Tellemetry, cool. Traction control, cool. F1 is (supposed to be) after all the pinnacle of motor sport, not some NASCAR, destruction derby spit and sawdust operation.

[deMuRe]

Thats an interesting take. I would love to know what really happenned. I wonder if it will ever come out? maybe in an autobiography.

The truth always comes out, you just might have to wait for someone to write a book in a few years. Just watch for whichever book Bernie tries to stop being published via the courts. I read one called "The PowerBrokers" which Bernie tried to stop being released with his army of lawyers, and failed, it was a very interesting read...

[Martin]

Lots of very interesting stuff here. I am usually very sceptical about conspiracy theories but AKRs theory and posts from other are interesting. The difference here is that there is a lot of undisputed fact involved, along with the theory, and the motives are more feasible than some other conspiracy theory stories (outside F1) - i.e MONEY. This makes it very believable.
Are there any journalists out there who can work under cover and try to expose the truth?
This needs some real investigation.
That the FIA is essentially corrupt is beyond doubt in my view, so AKRs theory is a distinct possibility.
Having heard what Stepney is now saying I am beginning to think that McL being set up is a real possibility. The stakes are very high in F1 now.

[McLaren Fan]

Lots of very interesting stuff here. I am usually very sceptical about conspiracy theories...

The same here, but in Formula One with people like Ecclestone, Mosley and Todt about, anything is possible.

[AKR]

Lots of very interesting stuff here. I am usually very sceptical about conspiracy theories but AKRs theory and posts from other are interesting. The difference here is that there is a lot of undisputed fact involved, along with the theory, and the motives are more feasible than some other conspiracy theory stories (outside F1) - i.e MONEY. This makes it very believable.
Are there any journalists out there who can work under cover and try to expose the truth?
This needs some real investigation.
That the FIA is essentially corrupt is beyond doubt in my view, so AKRs theory is a distinct possibility.
Having heard what Stepney is now saying I am beginning to think that McL being set up is a real possibility. The stakes are very high in F1 now.

The possibilty of my theory being true is high as most people on this forum would agree. All I hope is that 2007 is long forgotten. I as a tifosa I love Ferrari a lot. If the truth is ever uncovered it could mean Ferrari would be stripped of its title. Highly unlikely but that is what happens if the truth were to be uncovered as the authorities would be forced to have to do something about it. It was enough for me to see my loved football club Juventus go through this in much an unfair way McLaren did in the 2007 F1 season. It would shatter me if it happened to Ferrari. 2007 is over. Hopefully it is long forgotten and 2008 is a clean season and all victories are won on the race track like they should be. Another 2007 in 2008 would not only jeopodise the sport but could uncover the truth about Ferrari and the FIA whcih could spell disaster for all.

[Denthúl]

I think, if it were indeed true and, furthermore, revealed to all, it could actually be a good thing for the sport. There'd certainly be a massive call for the governing body to be reorganised and structured in a proper fashion, so that any future problems such as the ones we've had are dealt with quickly and properly.

Of course, it would certainly be bad for the reputation of the sport, of Ferrari and of the FIA, but that would pass over time and the sport would most likely return to a credible example of what sports and their governing bodies should be, and how all competitors should behave.

[Martin]

I think, if it were indeed true and, furthermore, revealed to all, it could actually be a good thing for the sport. There'd certainly be a massive call for the governing body to be reorganised and structured in a proper fashion, so that any future problems such as the ones we've had are dealt with quickly and properly.

Of course, it would certainly be bad for the reputation of the sport, of Ferrari and of the FIA, but that would pass over time and the sport would most likely return to a credible example of what sports and their governing bodies should be, and how all competitors should behave.

Agreed

[McLaren Fan]

I think, if it were indeed true and, furthermore, revealed to all, it could actually be a good thing for the sport. There'd certainly be a massive call for the governing body to be reorganised and structured in a proper fashion, so that any future problems such as the ones we've had are dealt with quickly and properly.

Of course, it would certainly be bad for the reputation of the sport, of Ferrari and of the FIA, but that would pass over time and the sport would most likely return to a credible example of what sports and their governing bodies should be, and how all competitors should behave.

Exactly. You have to break eggs to make a nice Ulster Fry.

[Ferrari355B]

Anyone in his or her right mind knows deep inside that las seasons ending was staged.

-Mclaren was caught cheating and the FIA had to take a firm stance but the could not destroy the season by eliminating Mclaren all together so the plan was to take away the WCC points and allow the drivers to make it seem as though the race for the WDC was still on. They did this so they could continue to sell tickets to the remaining races and most importantly the tv ads. The FIA left the drivers in the running but told Mclaren that they had to find a way to lose. It was very obvious when Hamilto stayed out on the track untill the hydes on his tires were completely worn out. The tire did not fail as he put in a cautious lap so when he came into the pits he steered directily into the gravel. You will notice when watching the videos that he made no attempt to turn on the tarmac but turned in the gravel so he would not hit the wall. He did not even attempt to power slowly through the gravel but stopped and when the marshals came out to push him he spun the tires so he would be bogged down and never get out. Right then and there I knew something was up. Then in the final race it was only too obvious what Alonso and Hamilton were up to. They both held their ground so that Ferrari would win. There was nothing wrong with Alonsos car but he never even attempted to gain one more positon and Hamilton hung back one more postion than he had too in case someone in front broke down.
Now I am a Ferrari fan first and foremost but the way the FIA played us for fools is absolutely a joke. Yes Ferrari would have won the season if Mclaren had not cheated but to set things up the way they did is like a slap on the face of the educated F1 fans. PS I have friends and relatives in Italy near the factory who were appauled at what went on.

[racechick]

McLaren cheated no more than many other teams have and a lot less than some. The FIA are a disgrace and need to sort their act out.

[darwin dali]

That your scenario of staging has one big flaw though: there was no guarantee that KR's car wouldn't break down in the last three races. Had it broken down only once (or he screwed up a corner or somtin') that whole scenario would not have worked. What then you smart asses, huh? How could the FIA have made sure Ferrari wins the driver's title?
And how many people would have to be in on this for it to work? And how many McLaren insiders would have noticed something's fishy (even on a behavioral level such as doing things hush hush) and they all kept quiet, even though they were already fuming about the FIA and Ferrari? Alternatively, there was an internal directive to everybody involved that obligated everybody to keep quiet? And every single one of them kept their mouth shut?
A bunch of baloney that's what this scenario is