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[Injen]

How Mclaren can back this cruise and collect slow mo is beyond me lmfao.

Jenson reckons it's been his worst year, what he means is he has had his bottom handed to him by a better driver all round. No longer can he claim he is the tyre king or his groupies claim that Lewis can't look after his tyres.

Button the McLaren self proclaimed #1 driver is between a rock and a hard place, he wants to catch up and pass Ferrari who are 22 points ahead but he can't do it because at best he is only good for a fourth place, they can't depend on Hamilton's car as it's either testing components or it's rigged to fail, the team needs Hamilton to score points but not to outscore No Grip, that's the difficulty, if Hamilton's car can get to the end of the race, he would have more points than No Grip at the end of the season, they can't have it both ways and that's their delima at the moment.

It must eat him up because no matter what mr no grip cruise and collect does his teammate keeps giving him a royal beating lol. I can't wait till perez hands jenslow his bottom next season.

[The Second Coming]

One of the major differences between Lewis and Jenson is the ability to set up a car. People tend to focus on the fact that he is blindingly quick but never factor in his ability to set up the car to go quick. Yes, it's easy to see how his racing prowess overshadows his technical abilities. This is one of Jenson's biggest shortcomings. That's why he needs a perfect car out of the box (or use Lewis' setup). It's this ability from Lewis that I think will help take AMG forward.

I'm just saying..

[racechick]

Injen, his name is Jenson, whatever you think of him and his driving, his name is Jenson. Forum guidelines, no name calling drivers.

Ok as you were.

[Injen]

Injen, his name is Jenson, whatever you think of him and his driving, his name is Jenson. Forum guidelines, no name calling drivers.

Ok as you were.

Fair enough, ill just call the cruise and collect specialist jenson.

[Hammer278]

One of the major differences between Lewis and Jenson is the ability to set up a car. People tend to focus on the fact that he is blindingly quick but never factor in his ability to set up the car to go quick. Yes, it's easy to see how his racing prowess overshadows his technical abilities. This is one of Jenson's biggest shortcomings. That's why he needs a perfect car out of the box (or use Lewis' setup). It's this ability from Lewis that I think will help take AMG forward.

I'm just saying..

Yep, don't forget 2009 when that car was a dog and Heikki was as new to F1 as Lewis was...the car became a race winner nearing the end of the season so Lewis' proven he knows how to set up a car. With someone like Brawn who's intelligent and actually listening to his feedback seriously, and with the right people in place there's no way Mercedes can't take leaps forward starting next year.

[bud]

Haha McLarens 09 woes had nothing to do with setup issues it was working out the brand new regs. New parts every race weekend, flying in parts straight from MTC production line to the track over night. This relentless development turned the car around not feed back on set up!

[WorksS25]

I just hope next years car is much better than Mercedes car. Then Jenson can make Lewis jealous of what he could have had


Rossi is the GOAT.
Villeneuve greatest not to be Champ

[Hammer278]

Haha McLarens 09 woes had nothing to do with setup issues it was working out the brand new regs. New parts every race weekend, flying in parts straight from MTC production line to the track over night. This relentless development turned the car around not feed back on set up!

I don't know how new parts to improve a car can be developed when there is no idea on how the car is behaving - in comparison to how a car should behave...in this case why have drivers go testing at all, might as well do 100% of their analysis in the wind tunnel and let their drivers relax at home and just show up for race weekends.

[racechick]

I just hope next years car is much better than Mercedes car. Then Jenson can make Lewis jealous of what he could have had


Rossi is the GOAT.
Villeneuve greatest not to be Champ

In all probability the McLaren will be better than the Mercedes next year. But I doubt Lewis will regret his decision. Lets assume he stayed, and the McLaren was a stunner, and there were no operational difficulties, and RB and Ferrari slipped up. He could win another world championship, In a car that should have won several in the last decade. He'll still be behind one of the other top three drivers on championships. And what then? Another decade of drought? another decade of belonging to a team that don't appear to like or respect you ? Or involve you in the whole team development process? At Mercedes he has the chance to help develop that team, and be a part of that success. And that means a lot. It clearly means more than waiting to see if another championship happens to drop in his lap at McLaren.

[Hammer278]

I just hope next years car is much better than Mercedes car. Then Jenson can make Lewis jealous of what he could have had


Rossi is the GOAT.
Villeneuve greatest not to be Champ

In all probability the McLaren will be better than the Mercedes next year. But I doubt Lewis will regret his decision. Lets assume he stayed, and the McLaren was a stunner, and there were no operational difficulties, and RB and Ferrari slipped up. He could win another world championship, In a car that should have won several in the last decade. He'll still be behind one of the other top three drivers on championships. And what then? Another decade of drought? another decade of belonging to a team that don't appear to like or respect you ? Or involve you in the whole team development process? At Mercedes he has the chance to help develop that team, and be a part of that success. And that means a lot. It clearly means more than waiting to see if another championship happens to drop in his lap at McLaren.

I don't think I can remember any Championship 'dropping' into anyone's lap in McLaren. Dropping into your lap are those like 2002, 2004, 2005, 2009, and 2011. None of those were McLaren championships, Mika had to work his a*se off in 1998 and 1998 and somehow clinched them in the end amidst stupid reliability issues as usual and a car which was fastest only at some parts of the year. Lewis won his WDC at the last corner of the last race. When's the last time McLaren won a Championship with a few races to spare? We'd have to go back to that famous year 1988!!

Under Martin "disturbingly goodlooking" Whitmarsh and his lead driver Jenson "Grip Isn't my Forte" Button, it's all downhill. The car next year might be able to compete for wins since its an evolution of this year with no significant rule changes, but from 2014 they can start battling midfielders and have teams like Sauber and Force India as their main competition.

[myownalias]

Here we go again with the speculation about next season, nobody knows what will happen next season , even pre-season testing is no indicator recently of form. I agree that Button does need to have a car that is to his liking to compete for championships but it doesn't need to be 2 - 3 seconds faster than any other car to win. McLaren have certainly lost an asset in Hamilton but there are other drivers out there as good, either on the current grid or up and coming drivers. Drivers move on; Hamilton leaving McLaren has been blown out of all proportion in my view!

[What's Burning?]

It was after all a mutual decision. There are consequences (most of which will remain unknown) for quite some time. Vindication however short term will come to the team that comes out ahead in points. Vindication long term will likely only come to the team that wins a championship (preferably a WCC) first.

Let's see how things unfold. We've been given an instant rivalry and a developing situation to watch for a handful of years to come.

[racechick]

Yeah! Juicy Lucy

[bud]

Haha McLarens 09 woes had nothing to do with setup issues it was working out the brand new regs. New parts every race weekend, flying in parts straight from MTC production line to the track over night. This relentless development turned the car around not feed back on set up!

I don't know how new parts to improve a car can be developed when there is no idea on how the car is behaving - in comparison to how a car should behave...in this case why have drivers go testing at all, might as well do 100% of their analysis in the wind tunnel and let their drivers relax at home and just show up for race weekends.

Do you think Jensons feedback gave Brawn 2 seconds with the DD diffuser?
But Oh ok Lewis fan, he is the main reason behind the turn around, the genius folk back at the factory have no idea I think the engineers should stay home and not show up on race weekends and let the drivers build their own car.

[Hammer278]

Haha McLarens 09 woes had nothing to do with setup issues it was working out the brand new regs. New parts every race weekend, flying in parts straight from MTC production line to the track over night. This relentless development turned the car around not feed back on set up!

I don't know how new parts to improve a car can be developed when there is no idea on how the car is behaving - in comparison to how a car should behave...in this case why have drivers go testing at all, might as well do 100% of their analysis in the wind tunnel and let their drivers relax at home and just show up for race weekends.

Do you think Jensons feedback gave Brawn 2 seconds with the DD diffuser?
But Oh ok Lewis fan, he is the main reason behind the turn around, the genius folk back at the factory have no idea I think the engineers should stay home and not show up on race weekends and let the drivers build their own car.

Never said Lewis is solely responsible for the car's turnaround. But I say he played a part in it.

Did Button find that technical loophole in 2009? Also, did he even start testing the revolutionary chassis before the team was bought over? If so, full kudos to him I'd say it was the most earned WDC in F1 history if that was the case.