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By andrew
#331252
Added the best sector times of Hamilton,Vettel,Button,Webber and Alonso.

Hamiton:1:41.833


Vettel:1:41.743


Button:1:42.333


Webber:1:42.466


Alonso:1:42.480




So Vettel fastest then.


Only just,no need to explode dude!


Hamilton was fastest for 30 mins on mediums


I wasn't exploding. Just thought you made a typo with the driver order. :-)
By Nin-Chin
#331254
Added the best sector times of Hamilton,Vettel,Button,Webber and Alonso.

Vettel:1:41.743


Hamilton:1:41.833


Button:1:42.333


Webber:1:42.466


Alonso:1:42.480




So Vettel fastest then.


Only just,no need to explode dude!


Hamilton was fastest for 30 mins on mediums


I wasn't exploding. Just thought you made a typo with the driver order. :-)


Fine i'll swap it for u because I'm nice! :D
By andrew
#331259
Added the best sector times of Hamilton,Vettel,Button,Webber and Alonso.

Vettel:1:41.743


Hamilton:1:41.833


Button:1:42.333


Webber:1:42.466


Alonso:1:42.480




So Vettel fastest then.


Only just,no need to explode dude!


Hamilton was fastest for 30 mins on mediums


I wasn't exploding. Just thought you made a typo with the driver order. :-)


Fine i'll swap it for u because I'm nice! :D


Still adds upto the same.

I thought this being the Hamilton thread you'd got his and Vettels times mixed up.

As long as Vettel's ahead of Alonso, I'm happy. :)
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By myownalias
#331395
All the posts that were here; have been moved to the Website Issues section:

The two pages moved were moved because they really had no place in this thread!

The newly split thread:viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12205
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By myownalias
#331409
Meanwhile; I have just read this on the BBC Sport website, don't see Button saying anything negative in this article:

Lewis Hamilton's move to Mercedes next season will be a "big loss" for McLaren, says Jenson Button.

Their three-year partnership ends this year after Hamilton signed a three-year deal with Mercedes after being under the McLaren umbrella for 14 years.

Button said: "The team loses a very fast driver, a guy that's achieved a lot with the team - the last guy to win a world championship for the team.

"It's a big loss but things change and you learn to move on and adapt."

Hamilton has said he hopes he can win races for Mercedes next season, despite their slip in form in the second half of this year.

But Button, who will be partnered by Mexican Sergio Perez at McLaren next year, said he did not know how Hamilton would get on at Mercedes.

"The first year with a new team is always a little bit tricky," Button said. "It's a new experience for Lewis. I'm sure he's excited about it.

"He's as quick as they come but sometimes it's not that easy to win grands prix and to build a team around you and also to help a team achieve great results."

Mercedes started the season strongly but have fallen back dramatically since F1's summer break.

The Brackley-based team have failed to score any points in the three races since Hamilton's deal was announced, but the 27-year-old said he had no regrets about his move.

"It doesn't worry me," he said. "I'm really excited to go there. I feel fantastic about the decision. I'm massively excited about working with new people. It is a fantastic team. I know they have lost their way a little bit at the moment but I'm going to go and help them find their way.

"I already knew how big [the task] was. I really thought about it hard, and I could see how big it was. Perhaps it's growing as a task, but I'm excited about it."
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By stonemonkey
#331434
Button on moving to a new team:
He's as quick as they come but sometimes it's not that easy to win grands prix and to build a team around you and also to help a team achieve great results


However true that may be, also perhaps a little telling?
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By racechick
#331435
Button on moving to a new team:
He's as quick as they come but sometimes it's not that easy to win grands prix and to build a team around you and also to help a team achieve great results


However true that may be, also perhaps a little telling?


Yes. That's the bit that jumped out and hit me in the eye when I read the interview.

In the Friday press conference RB. Was asked how much he would encourage Lewis to build a team around him. His reply was that both drivers are required to build the team

And after all the shenanigans that have gone on at Mclaren over the last couple of years, I still don't think Lewis will aim to replicate any of Buttons tactics at Mercedes. Help build the team yes, he's very excited about that, but at the expense of Rosberg? It's just not his style. Is it the way to win championships? Maybe not, but I like him the more for it.
By Hammer278
#331438
Button on moving to a new team:
He's as quick as they come but sometimes it's not that easy to win grands prix and to build a team around you and also to help a team achieve great results


However true that may be, also perhaps a little telling?


It's not like Button is some pro at it anyway...whichever team he went to deteriorated into mediocrity, and the team he won the WDC with had gone bankrupt and bought over by Brawn who then worked some technical magic on it. Then he jumps to McLaren, from when they have gone on a steady downward slope with stupid errors and idiotic mistakes...throughout his career then, there's no sign where he can be called 'an asset' to a team.
By Nin-Chin
#331452
Martin Whitmarsh has expressed his regret and frustration at the imminent prospect of Lewis Hamilton leaving McLaren with just a single World Championship to his name.

Hamilton's association with the team for whom he has driven for boyhood will come to an end at the end of the year following his decision to transfer to Mercedes for the 2013 campaign. Having been unable to keep pace with the Red Bull of Sebastian Vettel and the relentless consistency of Ferrari's Fernando Alonso this year, Hamilton will depart as a one-time champion after failing to add to his 2008 title.

For most drivers, any title would be a crowning and sufficient achievement, but for a driver of Hamilton's speed and talent, a single championship represents a meagre haul - as Whitmarsh has now acknowledged.

"Yes," the McLaren team boss responded when asked by The Daily Mail whether he thought Hamilton should have added to his tally.

"All of us are at fault for that. We've still got an extraordinary record and have had some fantastic races, but between us, with Lewis and the team, we could have done a better job together than we did."

Speaking to Sky Sports News in the Abu Dhabi paddock in the wake of those comments being interpreted in some quarters as a suggestion that Hamilton has under-performed, Whitmarsh clarified that the McLaren team accepted collective responsibility for the shortfall of silverware.


"I know it's been cast this way this morning in the newspapers [that it was Hamilton's failure] but what I said is, yes, he should have won more championships and we could have done a better job as a team," the McLaren chief told Craig Slater.

"We could have been more reliable, we could all do [more]. Lewis is part of this team so we don't point fingers at anyone. I was very clear in what I said about taking that responsibility but clearly it's more entertaining in the newspapers to cast it as I was suggesting Lewis hasn't done a good enough job.

"He's done a great job, we haven't always done as good a job as we'd like to, but we both know rather ruefully we should have had one or two other World Championships in his time."

To compound Whitmarsh's sense of frustration, the McLaren team are without a Constructors' Championship this century and Whitmarsh himself has yet to win a title since replacing Ron Dennis five months after Hamilton's 2008 success.

"Arguably we have been too conservative and risk-averse in regulation interpretation," Whitmarsh conceded in a separate interview with The Guardian. "Given our brand and our position, I think we are more risk-averse.

"There are things that have happened which, had our engineers come to me and said we're going to do this, I'd have said forget it. I'd rather campaign for clearer, less ambiguous regulations.


"It's the old Benetton effect, isn't it? Benetton - and I'm trying to avoid [mentioning] the obvious one today - Benetton was a brand that enjoyed controversy for their particular consumer. And there are some major brands in this paddock which like a little bit of that, whereas our brands don't tolerate it. There are teams that appear to have racier interpretations on regulations and resource restrictions."

Asked about those remarks as he faced up to the cameras ahead of qualifying in Abu Dhabi, Whitmarsh reiterated his impression that his team had been more risk-averse than most.

"I think we have, given our brand, got to make sure we're within the spirit of the regulations," he said.

"So I think we're a little bit risk averse but I think the challenge is to do a better job and make sure we interpret fairly and reasonably the regulations. But there's a limit to how far you can go in pushing them - certainly in our case."
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By racechick
#331458
He's pretty much admitting there that they are risk averse because that suits their image. Well that's no way to get ahead in F1. Don't they want to win? Is it more important to have a staid image?
By Hammer278
#331464
He's pretty much admitting there that they are risk averse because that suits their image. Well that's no way to get ahead in F1. Don't they want to win? Is it more important to have a staid image?


It just shows McLaren are no more the pure racing team back in the days, since they have diversified their operations into road cars, etc...so image and reputation holds more water than titles. In a way, it's understandable I guess. Ferrari can get away with stuff since their cars hold more than just a 'supercar' image and is a worldwide name which McLaren are trying (unsuccessfully) to break into.
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By darwin dali
#331471
Did LH ever get that McLaren road car he wanted from RD for winning the championship? And if so, can he take it with him to Mercedes?
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By racechick
#331472
Didn't get it. He had to win three championships to get it.
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By darwin dali
#331474
Didn't get it. He had to win three championships to get it.

Oops - well, there goes THAT idea...
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By f1boy
#331497
Well done Lewis. Brilliant in all three Q's. :D

McLaren have backed the wrong driver imo. Button is always number two with Lewis around.
Whitmarsh looks like a clown letting Lewis walk imo.
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