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#327364
yeah nothings ever black and white and thats why i believe its not beyond the realms of all possibilty...who really knows? maybe the truths about "The Mclaren Days" from 2007-2012 will come out in a book 15 years from now. I'm still sticking to what i believe....and we still have 4 races to go so maybe the plot will thicken.


I agree - I never say "that would never happen" ever since 'crash-gate' involving Piquet Jr. and Briatore.
#327391
I'm gonna sound like a broken record if i keep repeating my reasoning for believing that Mclaren would back Button over Hamilton so this is the last time and it doesn't really matter now anyway cos both the WDC and WCC are gone.
My reasoning is based on logic and always has been. Firstly its becoming ever more apparent how broken Lewis's relationship is within Mclaren in particular with Ron Dennis(who he is not even on speaking terms with and who he is yet to speak with since deciding to leave) and Jenson Button(who is a wily old fox and has been around the game long enough to know how important it is to build a team around yourself so has portrayed the warmest and nicest assets of his personality to anyone of importance inside the team..a lesson Lewis is yet to truly learn and i think Mercedes is a great opportunity for him to do so). I believe that despite Lewis's faults the team were willing to put up with them because of the history they share together and also because of his natural talent out on the track. So...after singapore when Lewis's car failed him and he then decided to sign for Mercedes it's my belief that the team decided to get behind Button in an attempt to fight for the title cos they would prefer to have this years champion driving for them next season. Yes of course i know how important the constructors points are and the amount of money it brings in but having a current world champion driving for you during the season also brings a hell of a lot of commercial value too so at this point i believe it's a gamble they were willing to take. Lewis was the fastest guy on the track and was having no problem at all setting the car up for both qualy and the race 3/4 races prior to Japan(probably would have been fastest in Spa too if the rain didn't effect the practice sessions forcing the 2 Mclaren drivers to gamble on set up). Then comes Japan and now Korea where Jenson is all of a sudden looking way more comfortable with the car while Lewis's cars are falling apart(at first in Japan we thought Lewis was suddendly having issues finding the right set up but then it was revealed that a critical component in the rear suspension that is necessary for finding the correct balance of the car during set up was not acting as it should which caused him to get it completely wrong and totally ruined his weekend).Luckily for Lewis he closed the championship lead by 10 points and Jenson only finished one place ahead of him in Japan and my belief at this point is that they would forget about backing Button and turn their attentions to backing Hamilton 100% like Ferrari do Alonso in an effort to fight for the championship. Then comes Korea and we all saw what just happened, yes Lewis was able to qualify well but his car was a ticking time bomb while Jenson showed great race pace in P2 and would have definately outraced Lewis and most probably got a podium finish had he not been taken out kamikaze style by Kamui Kobayashi.
Whatever the hell is going on at Mclaren it aint pretty and i'm actually looking forward to seeing Lewis taking on a new challenge at this stage in his life at Mercedes and against Nico. I'm also looking forward to seeing Button taking on a new challenge in Sergio Perez and seeing if he is actually capable of building the team around himself like he recently stated he aims to do...something tells me Sergio might have some objections to that though cos he seems like quite a determined young man to me.


However for this to work you're suggesting that mclaren have unlimited time and resources to actively sabotage Lewis's car, especially since the was only a week between Japan and Korea.
#327412
You're joking right? you believe that they wouldn't be able to find time and resources to make the performance of the car worse?
Fair enough. Can't see it being too difficult myself at all to be honest with you and they will have plenty of opportunities to do so.
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#327413

However for this to work you're suggesting that mclaren have unlimited time and resources to actively sabotage Lewis's car, especially since the was only a week between Japan and Korea.


Just curious..how much resources and time is needed to sabotage a vehicle which consists of over 50000 individual components? :hehe:
#327415

However for this to work you're suggesting that mclaren have unlimited time and resources to actively sabotage Lewis's car, especially since the was only a week between Japan and Korea.


Just curious..how much resources and time is needed to sabotage a vehicle which consists of over 50000 individual components? :hehe:


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#327428
yeah nothings ever black and white and thats why i believe its not beyond the realms of all possibilty...who really knows? maybe the truths about "The Mclaren Days" from 2007-2012 will come out in a book 15 years from now. I'm still sticking to what i believe....and we still have 4 races to go so maybe the plot will thicken.

I'm afraid that book will come out pretty soon, like next year already, judging from the release date of his first one :rolleyes:
#327459
I'm gonna sound like a broken record if i keep repeating my reasoning for believing that Mclaren would back Button over Hamilton so this is the last time and it doesn't really matter now anyway cos both the WDC and WCC are gone.
My reasoning is based on logic and always has been. Firstly its becoming ever more apparent how broken Lewis's relationship is within Mclaren in particular with Ron Dennis(who he is not even on speaking terms with and who he is yet to speak with since deciding to leave) and Jenson Button(who is a wily old fox and has been around the game long enough to know how important it is to build a team around yourself so has portrayed the warmest and nicest assets of his personality to anyone of importance inside the team..a lesson Lewis is yet to truly learn and i think Mercedes is a great opportunity for him to do so). I believe that despite Lewis's faults the team were willing to put up with them because of the history they share together and also because of his natural talent out on the track. So...after singapore when Lewis's car failed him and he then decided to sign for Mercedes it's my belief that the team decided to get behind Button in an attempt to fight for the title cos they would prefer to have this years champion driving for them next season. Yes of course i know how important the constructors points are and the amount of money it brings in but having a current world champion driving for you during the season also brings a hell of a lot of commercial value too so at this point i believe it's a gamble they were willing to take. Lewis was the fastest guy on the track and was having no problem at all setting the car up for both qualy and the race 3/4 races prior to Japan(probably would have been fastest in Spa too if the rain didn't effect the practice sessions forcing the 2 Mclaren drivers to gamble on set up). Then comes Japan and now Korea where Jenson is all of a sudden looking way more comfortable with the car while Lewis's cars are falling apart(at first in Japan we thought Lewis was suddendly having issues finding the right set up but then it was revealed that a critical component in the rear suspension that is necessary for finding the correct balance of the car during set up was not acting as it should which caused him to get it completely wrong and totally ruined his weekend).Luckily for Lewis he closed the championship lead by 10 points and Jenson only finished one place ahead of him in Japan and my belief at this point is that they would forget about backing Button and turn their attentions to backing Hamilton 100% like Ferrari do Alonso in an effort to fight for the championship. Then comes Korea and we all saw what just happened, yes Lewis was able to qualify well but his car was a ticking time bomb while Jenson showed great race pace in P2 and would have definately outraced Lewis and most probably got a podium finish had he not been taken out kamikaze style by Kamui Kobayashi.
Whatever the hell is going on at Mclaren it aint pretty and i'm actually looking forward to seeing Lewis taking on a new challenge at this stage in his life at Mercedes and against Nico. I'm also looking forward to seeing Button taking on a new challenge in Sergio Perez and seeing if he is actually capable of building the team around himself like he recently stated he aims to do...something tells me Sergio might have some objections to that though cos he seems like quite a determined young man to me.



You have a lot of inside information about mclaren, hamiliton and ron dennis. Pretty awesome.

Just own it already. Mclaren has been duckling and there is nothing that Lewis or Jenson can do about it. This taking on a new challenge BS by Lewis is just smoke and mirrors. He left because he's pissed about not having a winning car. Fair enough, but he should have pursued Red Bull. He should have said listen, I'll give you (mclaren) one more year, sign a one year contract, or whatever the time frame is with webber's contract ending. They have their stuff together, and I don't believe for a damn minute that they give Vettel priority over webber. They may towards then end if there is a clear victor to come but not to start with.

Jenson isn't going to get mclaren to mold around him with perez either. So enjoy your golden boy getting smashed by Mclaren and Co. If Schumi and Rosberg are barley keeping their head above sauber and being demolished by the Lotus, Ferrari, Mclaren, and Redbull i don't see what lewis is going to be able to do. Hey maybe he can get a 2009 championship-like-season too.

I think we're seeing Lewis's true colors, and frankly I'm disappointed in him. I supported him and Jenson and the team since 2010 when I started really watching this sport. I went back and watched the 2008 and 2009 series. I saw them both on top gear, love their personalities and I loved all the little promos they did with mclaren.

You can keep believing in some conspiracy. :hehe:

You're joking right? you believe that they wouldn't be able to find time and resources to make the performance of the car worse?
Fair enough. Can't see it being too difficult myself at all to be honest with you and they will have plenty of opportunities to do so.


No You have got to be joking that a multi-million dollar company is going to waste millions in developement because they want to play high school drama. god, you people are insane. Listen to yourself.
#327472
I think we're seeing Lewis's true colors, and frankly I'm disappointed in him. I supported him and Jenson and the team since 2010 when I started really watching this sport. I went back and watched the 2008 and 2009 series. I saw them both on top gear, love their personalities and I loved all the little promos they did with mclaren.


Are you disappointed in McLaren for offering peanuts to Lewis? Are you disappointed that they had to come back and raise their offer and even then it was too little too late? Are you disapointed that Ferrari and Red Bull are laughing at McLaren for not holding on the Lewis? Are you disappointed at Mclaren for having cut themselves out this season of the best chance at a championship (double championship) even they've had in years? Are you disappointed at Mclaren for letting the guy that's arguably the best driver in the sport walk away? Are you disappointed that champion drivers time and time again have walked away from Mclaren? Maybe McLaren is showing their true colors, but I don't hear you saying that.

This story has two parts, and BOTH McLaren and Lewis will be worse off for the split. You only mention Lewis struggling at Mercedes, where the reality is that McLaren may be struggling (maybe even more so) right along with them. So I don't understand why only one side bears the fault.
#327477
The WDC up for grabs, the WCC up for grabs and still five races on the calendar. 2012 has been a good year for F1. :cloud9:
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When you created this thread, did you know that Psy was going to be waving the chequered flag?
#327483
I think we're seeing Lewis's true colors, and frankly I'm disappointed in him. I supported him and Jenson and the team since 2010 when I started really watching this sport. I went back and watched the 2008 and 2009 series. I saw them both on top gear, love their personalities and I loved all the little promos they did with mclaren.


Are you disappointed in McLaren for offering peanuts to Lewis? Are you disappointed that they had to come back and raise their offer and even then it was too little too late? Are you disapointed that Ferrari and Red Bull are laughing at McLaren for not holding on the Lewis? Are you disappointed at Mclaren for having cut themselves out this season of the best chance at a championship (double championship) even they've had in years? Are you disappointed at Mclaren for letting the guy that's arguably the best driver in the sport walk away? Are you disappointed that champion drivers time and time again have walked away from Mclaren? Maybe McLaren is showing their true colors, but I don't hear you saying that.

This story has two parts, and BOTH McLaren and Lewis will be worse off for the split. You only mention Lewis struggling at Mercedes, where the reality is that McLaren may be struggling (maybe even more so) right along with them. So I don't understand why only one side bears the fault.

:D:thumbup: Im glad you said all that WB, you' re so much more articulate than me, especially after I've had a couple of wines :D
#327485
No.. but come on... did you think anyone would keep that guy away? He's a ham for camera, so it wasn't too far a stretch. :hehe: Good for him though and I'm glad Korea has publicly embraced him.

Don't be modest. You're PSY-chic!


Groan at will, folks.






He's actually a pretty good singer. He's classed as a rapper but I wonder if he has any actual songs where he sings more. Of course I haven't heard any of his other songs, and I hadn't heard of him prior to this one, or even heard of K-pop, but it is his 3rd album. He wrote the lyrics for this one and co-wrote the music,
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