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What's Burning? wrote:It's andrew, he likes his excitement in small predictable doses.Small or big doses?
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
scotty wrote:Well, i don't mind that, but only when there is still an element of unpredictability (and therefore interest) in each race. That is why 2003 was such a good season, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams were all on it, and it was ultra competitive. But not one sided!It's still between 2 drivers which is normal for F1 towards the end of most seasons.
andrew wrote:I guess we just disagree there - cause Ferrari need a mega update even just to get remotely back on terms, something that is so, so unlikely with the current state of their aero department. One guy winning 3 races on the trot is pretty damn blatantly one sided though, i can't see how that is undeniable.scotty wrote:Well, i don't mind that, but only when there is still an element of unpredictability (and therefore interest) in each race. That is why 2003 was such a good season, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams were all on it, and it was ultra competitive. But not one sided!It's still between 2 drivers.
The constructors is nearly Red Bulls unless they have a run of bad luck with both cars failing to finish but the drivers championship is far from over. it'll be going to the last race this one between Alonso and Vettel. I wouldn't call it one sided or predictable quite yet especially when Ferrari supposedly have some meaty upgrades coming for the Indian GP.
andrew wrote:What? Ferrari signed an agreement with Lady Gaga?scotty wrote:Well, i don't mind that, but only when there is still an element of unpredictability (and therefore interest) in each race. That is why 2003 was such a good season, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams were all on it, and it was ultra competitive. But not one sided!It's still between 2 drivers which is normal for F1 towards the end of most seasons.
The constructors is nearly Red Bulls unless they have a run of bad luck with both cars failing to finish but the drivers championship is far from over. it'll be going to the last race this one between Alonso and Vettel. I wouldn't call it one sided or predictable quite yet especially when Ferrari supposedly have some meaty upgrades coming for the Indian GP.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. scotty wrote:I was speaking in terms of the drivers championship standings. Clear battle between Alonso and Vettel. Alonso is no longer miles ahead, he's just slightly behind so that's how I think it's just got more interesting. After the Hungarian GP, Alonso had a 40 point lead and was looking like winning his 3rd title now Vettel has caught up and is giving Alonso a run for his money.andrew wrote:I guess we just disagree there - cause Ferrari need a mega update even just to get remotely back on terms, something that is so, so unlikely with the current state of their aero department. One guy winning 3 races on the trot is pretty damn blatantly one sided though, i can't see how that is undeniable.scotty wrote:Well, i don't mind that, but only when there is still an element of unpredictability (and therefore interest) in each race. That is why 2003 was such a good season, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams were all on it, and it was ultra competitive. But not one sided!It's still between 2 drivers.
The constructors is nearly Red Bulls unless they have a run of bad luck with both cars failing to finish but the drivers championship is far from over. it'll be going to the last race this one between Alonso and Vettel. I wouldn't call it one sided or predictable quite yet especially when Ferrari supposedly have some meaty upgrades coming for the Indian GP.
darwin dali wrote:What? Ferrari signed an agreement with Lady Gaga?No, McLaren have. Didn't you see the bit of greenery on Hamiltons car? He/shie/it has started dressing the cars now!
Neo wrote:so you're saying that mclaren is willing to lose constructors points that's worth a lot of money in order to screw lewis??? Do you realize how illogical that sounds???myownalias wrote:that would be your opinion, i mean do you think that when JB had his slump its cos the team gave him dodgy eqiupment? idk i never really thought about it..all i can say is that the relationship between Button and mclaren seemed healthy back then as it does now.....as for Lewis lol, someone made the comment earlier about "no smoke without fire" i totally agree with them. Yes i believe they messed with Lewis's car again today, i thought after Japan they were gonna get it together and focus on Lewis winning the championship but i was wrong.Neo wrote:Such a small minded comment....not once did i say they were doing this because they wanted to piss Lewis off, i mean how dumb is that logic? My argument has always been that they would prefer Button fighting for the championship rather than a driver that is leaving at the end of the season. After Japan i thought they were gonna let it go but they didn't.I was making a general statement; I just happened to quote your post. Plenty here think that McLaren are deliberately out to screw over Lewis because he elected to make the move than stay with the Woking based team; and I don't blame him; I always say if you are unhappy with a situation, change it!Neo wrote:Jenson was all set to outrace Lewis today cos quite frankly the cars they have given Lewis have been below the standard of the cars that Jenson has been driving since he signed for mercedes (yeah Lewis could make it fast in qualifying this time but the cars have been ticking time bombs). The breakdown in the relationship is like you say not so surprising right now but that does not mean that Hamilton hasn't lost the support of the team...i believe he has and i'm not the only one.So you're suggesting that McLaren deliberately gave Hamilton substandard equipment? I could turn that argument around and say all those races when Button was nowhere was because he had lesser equipment, having a dodgy rollbar for example; that's not what I am saying but it would be easy to twist things around wouldn't it? I firmly believe that both drivers were given equal equipment to the best of the teams knowledge. Yes, Jenson did start on the harder tyre but when you qualify outside the top 10; that's what you do; try to think differently to move up the field, possibly a one stopper, if Button had made the top 10 shootout; he would have been on the same super-soft tyres as Lewis.
scotty wrote:Didnt everyone think this after Spa 2000, when the McLaren suddenly found speed mid season, Hakkinen caught Schumacher on points getting 36 points out of 40? What Happened next? Ferrari brought a couple of upgrades and Schumacher won the last 4 races.andrew wrote:I guess we just disagree there - cause Ferrari need a mega update even just to get remotely back on terms, something that is so, so unlikely with the current state of their aero department. One guy winning 3 races on the trot is pretty damn blatantly one sided though, i can't see how that is undeniable.scotty wrote:Well, i don't mind that, but only when there is still an element of unpredictability (and therefore interest) in each race. That is why 2003 was such a good season, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams were all on it, and it was ultra competitive. But not one sided!It's still between 2 drivers.
The constructors is nearly Red Bulls unless they have a run of bad luck with both cars failing to finish but the drivers championship is far from over. it'll be going to the last race this one between Alonso and Vettel. I wouldn't call it one sided or predictable quite yet especially when Ferrari supposedly have some meaty upgrades coming for the Indian GP.
Neo wrote:I'm gonna sound like a broken record if i keep repeating my reasoning for believing that Mclaren would back Button over Hamilton so this is the last time and it doesn't really matter now anyway cos both the WDC and WCC are gone.I can see your logic and thinking, and whilst I dont think what you have said is way beyond the realms of possibility in F1 (far more crazy things have happened), I do think you base your opinion on some massive assumptions, and not fact.
My reasoning is based on logic and always has been. Firstly its becoming ever more apparent how broken Lewis's relationship is within Mclaren in particular with Ron Dennis(who he is not even on speaking terms with and who he is yet to speak with since deciding to leave) and Jenson Button(who is a wily old fox and has been around the game long enough to know how important it is to build a team around yourself so has portrayed the warmest and nicest assets of his personality to anyone of importance inside the team..a lesson Lewis is yet to truly learn and i think Mercedes is a great opportunity for him to do so). I believe that despite Lewis's faults the team were willing to put up with them because of the history they share together and also because of his natural talent out on the track. So...after singapore when Lewis's car failed him and he then decided to sign for Mercedes it's my belief that the team decided to get behind Button in an attempt to fight for the title cos they would prefer to have this years champion driving for them next season. Yes of course i know how important the constructors points are and the amount of money it brings in but having a current world champion driving for you during the season also brings a hell of a lot of commercial value too so at this point i believe it's a gamble they were willing to take. Lewis was the fastest guy on the track and was having no problem at all setting the car up for both qualy and the race 3/4 races prior to Japan(probably would have been fastest in Spa too if the rain didn't effect the practice sessions forcing the 2 Mclaren drivers to gamble on set up). Then comes Japan and now Korea where Jenson is all of a sudden looking way more comfortable with the car while Lewis's cars are falling apart(at first in Japan we thought Lewis was suddendly having issues finding the right set up but then it was revealed that a critical component in the rear suspension that is necessary for finding the correct balance of the car during set up was not acting as it should which caused him to get it completely wrong and totally ruined his weekend).Luckily for Lewis he closed the championship lead by 10 points and Jenson only finished one place ahead of him in Japan and my belief at this point is that they would forget about backing Button and turn their attentions to backing Hamilton 100% like Ferrari do Alonso in an effort to fight for the championship. Then comes Korea and we all saw what just happened, yes Lewis was able to qualify well but his car was a ticking time bomb while Jenson showed great race pace in P2 and would have definately outraced Lewis and most probably got a podium finish had he not been taken out kamikaze style by Kamui Kobayashi.
Whatever the hell is going on at Mclaren it aint pretty and i'm actually looking forward to seeing Lewis taking on a new challenge at this stage in his life at Mercedes and against Nico. I'm also looking forward to seeing Button taking on a new challenge in Sergio Perez and seeing if he is actually capable of building the team around himself like he recently stated he aims to do...something tells me Sergio might have some objections to that though cos he seems like quite a determined young man to me.
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