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[andrew]

Guys
in the chat theres a troll who is named
(Nin-Chin)
in grey
he always copies my posts
and wont stop bugging me!

Aye but you beat them at a game of dice. I guess that makes you the 2nd best dice player.

[Nin-Chin]

Guys
in the chat theres a troll who is named
(Nin-Chin)
in grey
he always copies my posts
and wont stop bugging me!

Aye but you beat them at a game of dice. I guess that makes you the 2nd best dice player.

I got 21 in 4 throws beat that!

[andrew]

Guys
in the chat theres a troll who is named
(Nin-Chin)
in grey
he always copies my posts
and wont stop bugging me!

Aye but you beat them at a game of dice. I guess that makes you the 2nd best dice player.

I got 21 in 4 throws beat that!

Ok, I got 25 in for throws.

[myownalias]

Mclaren the fastest, but let Jenson down, although that doesn't seem to bother many people.

It bothers me; but like you say; there won't be much talk of Jenson's retirement, if it was Lewis that retired, we'd be hearing talk of conspiracies and other BS!

But what a great drive from Perez, 12th to second is a great achievement, even with some luck, Button & Vettel's retirements. Hamilton may have won the race but Alonso is the net winner, extending his world championship lead to 37 points after losing ground to Vettel last weekend. Good drive from Massa as well, obviously he needed a good result in Monza, trying to impress the Ferrari brass enough to retain his seat for 2013. Awful day for Red Bull; having both drivers retire, especially Vettel with a re-occurance of their alternator issues.

[spankyham]

Great drives by all 3 on the podium and good racing from everyone. Fantastic by Perez.

+1

[What's Burning?]

Mclaren the fastest, but let Jenson down, although that doesn't seem to bother many people.

It bothers me; but like you say; there won't be much talk of Jenson's retirement, if it was Lewis that retired, we'd be hearing talk of conspiracies and other BS!

Then again there aren't absolute lunatics coming on and claiming about Jenson thinks like; Lewis is a spoiled brat because somehow he didn't want to go and celebrate with his team after getting out of his car in parc ferme. So I think the extremes do tend to cancel each other out, quite regularly.

[KingVee]

Cause he blatantly ran Alonso out of road, pretty clear cut. On Sky they showed the incident back to back with last year's, and the difference between the two could be clearly seen.

Glad to see I'm not the only one sharing this opinion...

And in my case, this is coming from someone who equally hates Scuderia Ferrari and Red Bull Racing; no bias towards one or the other.

[andrew]

Setting aside personal preference there is no way that that required a penalty. Looking at the on-board footage from Alonso’s car the gap was getting visibly smaller yet Alonso made a decision to keep on going where it was obvious he was going to run out of tarmac. Plus there is very little, if any, difference between what Alonso did to Vettel at the same corner last year.

[KingVee]

Setting aside personal preference there is no way that that required a penalty. Looking at the on-board footage from Alonso’s car the gap was getting visibly smaller yet Alonso made a decision to keep on going where it was obvious he was going to run out of tarmac. Plus there is very little, if any, difference between what Alonso did to Vettel at the same corner last year.

20.3 - More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off‐line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.

20.4 - Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Sebastian Vettel did NOT leave at least one-car width on the exit of the turn after defending the inside, jerking his car to the outside to close the gap completely.

[andrew]

Setting aside personal preference there is no way that that required a penalty. Looking at the on-board footage from Alonso’s car the gap was getting visibly smaller yet Alonso made a decision to keep on going where it was obvious he was going to run out of tarmac. Plus there is very little, if any, difference between what Alonso did to Vettel at the same corner last year.

20.3 - More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off‐line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.

He only made one change of direction.

20.4 - Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Sebastian Vettel did NOT leave at least one-car width on the exit of the turn after defending the inside, jerking his car to the outside to close the gap completely.

He didn't jerk the car to the outside. He was taking the normal line and as I said Alonso went for a gap that wasn't there.

[smokin]

Vettel was already moving wide before Alonso made his move. Why should Vettel change direction and turn in tighter to allow the trailing car to overtake? "No double moves" is the rule, not "Always leave a car's width between you and the edge of the track".

EDIT: Beat me to it, andrew.

[vaptin]

There are two parts to that rule, moving back towards the racing line isn't a separate move, but still must comply with leaving a car widths of space even when returning to the racing line. Which I think is the argument Vettel didn't do. The rule is also new, and not applicable last year.

[Nin-Chin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538466

[FerrariFan63]

As it turned out, Fernando did very well. Even if he hadn't benefitted from his championship opponents dropping out, he was already ahead on the track.

Excellent result by Perez. I would like to believe that those who accused Ferrari of preventing the Sauber driver from overtaking Alonso in, Malaysia was it?, will admit that they were wrong. I won't be holding my breath though.

I haven't seen enough views of the controversial incident when Fernando was forced off the track, so won't make a comment on that.

Ferrari scored 27 points in the CC, versus 0 for Red Bull, 25 for McLaren, and something less for Lotus.

[vaptin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538466

The rule says: "Any driver defending his position on a straight and before any braking area may use the full width of the track during his first move provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his.
"Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.
"For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'."

I'm probably the only one who likes this side of the sport, looking at the technical details of the rules, and seeing on the footage if that actually happened.

Was any part of Alonso's front wing alongside Vettel's rear wheel? I'll have to check.

"Vettel was in the wrong," declared Anthony Davidson as he reviewed footage which saw the F2012's front-right tyre at one stage almost interlock with the Red Bull's wheels. "It was a little bit over the top."

"There was still a gap [last year] between the two cars. Fernando gave Vettel a lot more room and then straightened up the car once he saw Sebastian off the circuit."

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/new ... to-be-fair