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#318721
Not as near as DC and Alex Wurz(?)'s crash a few years ago. Or as bad as Schumi at Abu Dhabi last year (or year before, Luizzi wasn't it?)!!


Yeah. There's been a number of close calls.

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And no penalties. I guess Alonso's head is more precious?
#318723
Not as near as DC and Alex Wurz(?)'s crash a few years ago. Or as bad as Schumi at Abu Dhabi last year (or year before, Luizzi wasn't it?)!!


Yeah. There's been a number of close calls.

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And no penalties. I guess Alonso's head is more precious?

It's the eyebrows that make the difference.
#318750
Cone on, look at Grosjean's driving, sweeping right at the start forcing another driver to move to the edge of the track, on a short straight for a right handed hairpin.

The closest incident I can think of, is Schumacher squezzing Rubens at Hungary, and Schumacher did get penalty, Grosjean might have got a race ban due to past form or it being at the start which is officially considered more dangerous as the FIA are happy to adjust their definition of reasonable conduct for the start.
#318754
Cone on, look at Grosjean's driving, sweeping right at the start forcing another driver to move to the edge of the track, on a short straight for a right handed hairpin.

The closest incident I can think of, is Schumacher squezzing Rubens at Hungary, and Schumacher did get penalty, Grosjean might have got a race ban due to past form or it being at the start which is officially considered more dangerous as the FIA are happy to adjust their definition of reasonable conduct for the start.

Well, compared to that incident I think Schumi knew what he was doing and intentionally ran him almost into the wall, where as Grosjean just didn't know what he was doing. On top of that after a start, with such a short run to the first corner, the speeds of both incidents aren't really comparable.
#318757
Cone on, look at Grosjean's driving, sweeping right at the start forcing another driver to move to the edge of the track, on a short straight for a right handed hairpin.

The closest incident I can think of, is Schumacher squezzing Rubens at Hungary, and Schumacher did get penalty, Grosjean might have got a race ban due to past form or it being at the start which is officially considered more dangerous as the FIA are happy to adjust their definition of reasonable conduct for the start.

Well, compared to that incident I think Schumi knew what he was doing and intentionally ran him almost into the wall, where as Grosjean just didn't know what he was doing. On top of that after a start, with such a short run to the first corner, the speeds of both incidents aren't really comparable.


Grosjean was looking in his mirrors? I think it's clear he knew Lewis was there, he had no other reason to go right so dramatically.

I think the conditions at the start override the speed, which is just used as a means to determine reaction times, Schumacher and Rubens were racing only each other, I think the DRS was in use, and they both had an expectation of an attempted pass on a far longer and wider straight. At the start a driver has many things to concentrate on, and would be expecting to not make dramatic movements because of the number of other drivers in close proximity.
#318758
Having had the day off today, I've been taking time to study the vast range of different articles which are still being written up on the first lap crash at La Source and the resulting ban for Romain Grosjean. Needless to say, it is a topic of intense debate. I, to be honest, am in favour of the ban, but there have been numerous comparisons with other "similar" first lap incidents such as the start of the 1998 Canadian Grand Prix and the start of the 2002 Australian Grand Prix. Yes there was no ban in either of those two accidents, but there were probably reasons.

In Montreal in 1998, Alexander Wurz found himself squeezed out going into Turn 1, tipped over and the resulting crash was something to behold. But the field was extremely crowded in the midfield, much more so than where the incident started at Spa yesterday. There was no wild sweep across the track from one particular driver, it was simply the field-bunching effect that caught Wurz out.

The start at Melbourne in 2002 is more tricky however. Ralf Schumacher appeared to misjudge his braking from behind Rubens Barrichello (who himself was trying to ensure his P1 position going into the first turn) and the ensuing carnage took out half the field. Not only was this a different type of incident to the start at Spa (and as a result I feel it shouldn't be held in comparison) the FIA did indeed take the incident seriously. Rather than apportion blame on one particular driver, a set of strict guidelines were given to the drivers, and penalties were promised after more first lap incidents occurred that year in Sepang and Interlagos.

And then we have comparisons with Wurz and Coulthard colliding scarily in Melbourne back in 2007 and Schumacher squeezing Barrichello at Budapest. While the CONSEQUENCES of the Wurz/Coulthard incident were similar to Spa (see picture in above post), the incident actually, in my opinion, bears more hallmarks to the Schumacher / Barrichello incident in Budapest, where Schumacher clearly forced Rubens right up to the wall at frightening speed, within a few inches of causing the mother of all accidents. And this is where we also start to see the roots of Grosjean's penalty.

The outrage sent in Schumacher's direction after that race in the summer of 2010 was mighty. Fans the world over, the commentators and paddock insiders all were largely of the opinion that Michael had taken the defence of his position ever so slightly too far, bordering the line that separates aggressive from dangerous. Jackie Stewart was vocal about the incident, saying, "We are never more than a millimetre away from something awful happening and for Schumacher to do what he did with Rubens Barrichello is just inviting disaster. ... It was one of the most blatant abuses of another driver that I have seen. It is a terrible example from a man who has seven world titles, bully-boy tactics."

Needless to say, the FIA did take action, and Schumacher was given a 10 place grid penalty for the next race at Spa. If contact was actually made, I am of the belief that a ban could well have been sent Schumacher's way. And this brings us back to to Grosjean's punishment for the accident at Spa. In cutting across the track in defence of his position going in to Turn 1, he squeezed Lewis against the wall, backed off, and then squeezed him further. The resulting pile-up was costly for many teams, and many drivers, and wasn't good on the eye. Grosjean was totally out of order at the start, and had the outcome stemmed from a mere incident, like at Montreal in '98, no bans would've been handed out.
#318770
We could drastically improve the saftey by having Grosjean made to race from the back of the grid and everyone else given a 5 second head start for a chance of "Not being hit on the first lap."

...and having a separate lane with concrete barriers on either side just for Maldonadao.

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