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[andrew]

Exactly but none have got such a bad press as Maldo. I guess it all depend who a driver crashes with.

You're entitled to you option on the press coverage. But you're so easily dismissing that he's used his car as a battering ram on a number of occasions. So whatever bad press he's getting IMO is well deserved.

But everyone acts like he's the first driver to be a bit wild. Fact is he isn't the first and he won't be that last.

[What's Burning?]

Exactly but none have got such a bad press as Maldo. I guess it all depend who a driver crashes with.

You're entitled to you option on the press coverage. But you're so easily dismissing that he's used his car as a battering ram on a number of occasions. So whatever bad press he's getting IMO is well deserved.

But everyone acts like he's the first driver to be a bit wild. Fact is he isn't the first and he won't be that last.

You mean the way you're acting towards Grosjean?

[andrew]

Exactly but none have got such a bad press as Maldo. I guess it all depend who a driver crashes with.

You're entitled to you option on the press coverage. But you're so easily dismissing that he's used his car as a battering ram on a number of occasions. So whatever bad press he's getting IMO is well deserved.

But everyone acts like he's the first driver to be a bit wild. Fact is he isn't the first and he won't be that last.

You mean the way you're acting towards Grosjean?

No. His actions have been a lot worse than others.

[What's Burning?]

Exactly but none have got such a bad press as Maldo. I guess it all depend who a driver crashes with.

You're entitled to you option on the press coverage. But you're so easily dismissing that he's used his car as a battering ram on a number of occasions. So whatever bad press he's getting IMO is well deserved.

But everyone acts like he's the first driver to be a bit wild. Fact is he isn't the first and he won't be that last.

You mean the way you're acting towards Grosjean?

No. His actions have been a lot worse than others.

In your opinion. It's the opinion of others (overwhelmingly) to the contrary, this forum is great.

[andrew]

Exactly but none have got such a bad press as Maldo. I guess it all depend who a driver crashes with.

You're entitled to you option on the press coverage. But you're so easily dismissing that he's used his car as a battering ram on a number of occasions. So whatever bad press he's getting IMO is well deserved.

But everyone acts like he's the first driver to be a bit wild. Fact is he isn't the first and he won't be that last.

You mean the way you're acting towards Grosjean?

No. His actions have been a lot worse than others.

In your opinion. It's the opinion of others (overwhelmingly) to the contrary, this forum is great.

Well accept my apologies for having my own opinion. It shall not happen again. Perhaps you'd care to tell me what to think prior to the races so you don't have the stress of someone disagrreing with you.

Ah such an accepting forum(!)

[What's Burning?]

Exactly but none have got such a bad press as Maldo. I guess it all depend who a driver crashes with.

You're entitled to you option on the press coverage. But you're so easily dismissing that he's used his car as a battering ram on a number of occasions. So whatever bad press he's getting IMO is well deserved.

But everyone acts like he's the first driver to be a bit wild. Fact is he isn't the first and he won't be that last.

You mean the way you're acting towards Grosjean?

No. His actions have been a lot worse than others.

In your opinion. It's the opinion of others (overwhelmingly) to the contrary, this forum is great.

Well accept my apologies for having my own opinion. It shall not happen again. Perhaps you'd care to tell me what to think prior to the races so you don't have the stress of someone disagrreing with you.

Ah such an accepting forum(!)

there, there. your often conflicting opinions do matter.

[f1ea]

Today's Health & Safety report has got to look pretty ugly. A double near-miss of very serious potential consequences. Not only Alonso almost got behaeaded, but the Sauber as well.

[LewEngBridewell]

Now that I've had time to reflect (I've watched the BBC Highlights programme twice) here are my thoughts for the race.

It's quite clear that McLaren have a swift car at the moment. Sadly, once again, the team has not been able to reap the full benefits of this speed. Yes, Jenson Button drove superbly to a calm, collected, dominant and thoroughly deserved win. But the team has made no gains on Red Bull in the WCC, and as the races tick by, this is going to become a big issue. McLaren have a faster car than Red Bull at the moment, and have had for much of the season (save for the early summer slump in form) and they are not capitalising. Red Bull's consistency is paying dividends.

Sebastian Vettel drove superbly from 11th to 2nd, benefiting from the carnage at La Source, but pulling off some immense overtakes on the way. Much was made of Kimi Raikkonen's chances in the build up to the weekend, but once again, the Lotus didn't quite seem up to it. That elusive first win of the year for the Enstone team remains achingly close, but still just out of reach.

Speaking of Lotus and La Source, the biggest talking point of the race is obviously the ferocious start. Grosjean has been given a 1-race ban, and it is fully deserved. It's not the first time the Frenchman has upset things at the start / in the early stages of the race, and this pile-up was one error too far. Pulling across to Lewis Hamilton, he appeared to come-out of the move before going yet further right, towards the McLaren driver. Contact was inevitable, and with such a short run to La Source, chaos ensued. While the pile-up hurt McLarens' WDC and WCC challenge, at a time when it is starting to matter, the saddest casualty must be that of the plucky Sauber team, who qualified so well on Saturday. The chance to reel in the floundering Mercedes team was completely wiped out.

The dramatic nature of the accident inevitably raised questions about the use of covered cockpits in F1. This remains a controversial issue, and there would be just as many cons as there are pros, but that is another subject matter. There's no doubting however, that Fernando Alonso's head came very close to being stuck in the carnage, and it's not an easy sight to stomach. The reason he stayed in the car for so long was because of a sharp back pain, and the cheers from the crowd upon his getting out highlighted the widespread relief.

Move of the race? Kimi Raikkonen on Michael Schumacher at Eau Rouge maybe, which harked back to Mark Webber's similar move on Alonso there last year.

[darwin dali]

The dramatic nature of the accident inevitably raised questions about the use of covered cock-pits in F1.

I like chicken-coops better

[LewEngBridewell]

The dramatic nature of the accident inevitably raised questions about the use of covered cock-pits in F1.

I like chicken-coops better

Christ that's terrible grammar on my part.

[vlad]

Lew, just a small correction: Vettel went from 12th to 2nd. There was also Kovalainen in the beginning, if you remember.

[Ferrari man 009]

Grosjean deserves his ban, but not going to discuss this a lot as ive posted in the thread. Might be a blessing in disguise for him, better he stays away from Monza after that incident as I would guess the tifosi arent to happy with his driving!

Vettel did well to get 2nd, however, Alonso, Hamilton, Perez and Kobayashi surely would have been ahead of him in 2nd to 5th places had it not been for circumstances out of their control - also think Vettel's 1 stop wouldn't have worked under more pressure, it was the wrong strategy, but him and Button were too far ahead for it to be an issue at the end.

Thought Schumacher did well, and with the lack of pace in the Merc, it was probably worth the 1 stop risk, it didnt work but wasnt too far away. Had a great battle with Kimi culminating in a classic move at Eau Rouge.

Nice to see Massa also passing Webber at the end, as those 2 points he took away from Webber could be crucial at the end of the season. A much better drive from Massa which shows the Ferrari had a decent race pace. A positive Alonso can take from the race is the Ferrari was fast down the straights, which is what is required to win at Monza next week. Also, despite his DNF, and all of his rivals scoring except Hamilton, he still has a 24 point lead, which isnt the end of the world.

Drive of the race HAS to be Button, was in control from Q1 to the chequered flag, even if his rivals werent wiped out at T1, they would have been nowhere near Button, who im sure could have gone faster if he needed to towards the end.

[geetface9]

Move of the race? Kimi Raikkonen on Michael Schumacher at Eau Rouge maybe, which harked back to Mark Webber's similar move on Alonso there last year.

I'm kinda bummed that this pass happened because now people will forget that mark webber did it in 2011 and just say "remember how kimi passed msc there in 2012?!" and I'll say "$#@! YOU GOOD SIR, WEBBER DID IT FIRST A YEAR EARLIER!" Ok I'm officially a fanboy, I read into that pass WAAAAAAAAAY too much.

Anyway, grosjean and maldonado just remind me of the 2010 vettel. But vettel is a "nice guy" so it's cool. (Maldo does deserve the bad press because unlike grosjean and vettel, some of his wrecks were clearly intentional and blatant.) But still, it's not much different to me than the former overzealous mr. back to back world champion.

I was quite impressed by vettel's prowess he showed at passing safely yet aggressively, as much as I HATED, OH $#@!ING HATED watching him climb up the field.

[darwin dali]

Move of the race? Kimi Raikkonen on Michael Schumacher at Eau Rouge maybe, which harked back to Mark Webber's similar move on Alonso there last year.

I was quite impressed by vettel's prowess he showed at passing safely yet aggressively, as much as I HATED, OH $#@!ING HATED watching him climb up the field.

[geetface9]

Ah don't rub it in DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH PRIDE I HAD TO SWALLOW TO TYPE THAT OUT AND POST IT ONLINE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE?!?!



and by pride i mean pride, not some bodily fluid