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[zurich_allan]

I thought it might be interesting to take a look at how the season would look at this point under the old points system (just the last one with 10 points for a win down to 1 point for 8th place). Many people still haven't gotten used to looking at the points table under the revised format with 25 points for a win, and such large gaps in the number of points between drivers, and it can create an artificial sense that a couple of drivers are miles in front of the rest when the reality might not be the case. So looking at the below you'll notice that even with any points for 9th and 10th place taken away, no places in the drivers championship under the old system would have been any different - nobody moves up or down! Lotus would still be just above McLaren in the constructors. You'll also notice that with what would be 100 points still up for grabs, and the gap even down to Grosjean only the equivalent of 37 points in old money, even a decent run of two or three races could still put everyone down to him in contention.

So here it is - the points table under the old system - does it make you see anything any differently? Highlight more so the differences or similarities between team-mates? Show how close or far away the constructors really are? Discuss.

Drivers

1. Alonso - 62
2. Webber - 48 (-14)
3. Vettel - 45 (-17)
4. Kimi - 39 (-23)
5. Lewis - 35 (-27)
6. Rosberg - 30 (-32)
7. Button - 27 (-35)
8. Grosjean - 25 (-37)
9. Perez - 18 (-44)
10. Kobayashi - 12 (-50)
11. Maldonado - 11 (-51)
12. Schumacher - 10 (-52)
13. Di Resta - 9 (-53)
14. Massa - 8 (-54)
15. Hulkenberg - 5 (-57)
16. Senna - 5 (-57)
17. Vergne - 1 (-61)

Constructors

1. Red Bull - 93
2. Ferrari - 70
3. Lotus - 64
4. McLaren - 62
5. Mercedes - 40
6. Sauber - 30
7. Williams - 16
8. Force India - 14
9. Toro Rosso - 1

[zurich_allan]

Wow, I thought this might have got a bit of interest, evidently not!

A couple of things that sprung to mind when I did this:

1. The gulf between Alonso and Massa really is astronomical.
2. The Williams resurgence hasn't really been as great as their pace might have suggested at times.
3. Although the Saubers have had decent pace at most races, they are still substantially behind the lead pack.
4. Overall, looking at the points table as it would be under the old '10 points for a win' system, it shows that the newer system of higher points makes it look generally more flattering to the mid-grid teams than the old system where they really wouldn't have actually scored many points at all sadly.

[What's Burning?]

It's never really had an effect on me because in the end they're all under the same environment and I'm not one to compare. It is interesting however that there is no change. The reality remains that just one DNF for Alonso with a win from any of the four behind him would bring things very close once again.

To me this sport is all about momentum and it's the one thing we haven't had this season, with no team being able to sow dominant improvement (legally that is) in back to back GPs.

[LewEngBridewell]

Overall, looking at the points table as it would be under the old '10 points for a win' system, it shows that the newer system of higher points makes it look generally more flattering to the mid-grid teams than the old system where they really wouldn't have actually scored many points at all sadly.

This is no bad thing IMO. Of course, there are more cars now than there were during the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 years, and I therefore feel it's better that the points actually do go down a little further to 10th place.

I also prefer the way that a win is given more value with the new system, in terms of points. If I remember correctly, part of the reason why the previous points system was introduced was to provide a more level playing field after Michael Schumacher won the 2002 WDC as early as Magny-Cours (mid season), utilising the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system to a great advantage.

However, this also came with its negative points, such as drivers being all too ready to settle for 2nd place, in the knowledge they'd only be scoring 2 points less than the winner. So, all in all, I declare myself a fan of the new points system, even if does muddy the historical statistics more than ever before.

[Ferrari man 009]

It's made no difference to me. Those stats still shows that Alonso is around 1.5 races clear in the championship, and effectively has a "free" DNF that the others dont have.

[zurich_allan]

Ok, thought I'd update this following the Hungary race and the comparison looks a bit more interesting now! Some real changes!

1. Under the old system, Vettel would now be ahead of Webber as you can see below, which is not currently the case under the current system.

2. Kimi would still have been in front of Lewis, which following Hamilton's excellent win under the current points system is not the case - so it seems as though the reward for winning is very real and not just theory!

3. Grosjean is a big loser under the current system, as he is currently down in 8th overall, but under the old system he'd now actually be 2 places further up in 6th.

4. Button also loses out under the new system as under the old system he would be ahead of Rosberg by virtue of having one more podium than Rosberg with both on the same points. As things stand under the current system, Rosberg is ahead of Button.

5. Rather oddly, regardless of the much higher number of points handed out under the new system, Senna would still be exactly 4 points behind Maldonado whichever system is used! That's a weird one!

6. In the constructors, Lotus would currently be ahead of McLaren under the old system, but under the new system, McLaren are ahead of Lotus.

So as you can see, under the revised points system, there are some small gains and losses, but also some big losses as things stand if you look at the above! Full table under old system up to date as of Hungary results below as it would be using the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 scoring method:

Drivers

1. Alonso - 66
2. Vettel - 50 (-16)
3. Webber - 49 (-17)
4. Kimi - 47 (-19)
5. Lewis - 45 (-21)
6. Grosjean 31 (35)
7. Button - 30 (-36)
8. Rosberg - 30 (-36)
9. Perez - 18 (-48)
10. Kobayashi - 12 (-54)
11. Maldonado - 11 (-55)
12. Schumacher - 10 (-56)
13. Di Resta - 9 (-57)
14. Massa - 8 (-58)
15. Senna - 7 (-59)
16. Hulkenberg - 5 (-61)
17. Vergne - 1 (-65)

Constructors

1. Red Bull - 99
2. Lotus - 78 (-21)
3. McLaren - 75 (-24)
4. Ferrari - 74 (-25)
5. Mercedes - 40 (-59)
6. Sauber - 30 (-69)
7. Williams - 18 (-81)
8. Force India - 14 (-85)
9. Toro Rosso - 1 (-98)

[MatthewF1]

Interesting to see just how similar the results are. However, I think the psychological affect is worse under the old system. 40 points under the current system seems huge but so does 25 for a win. When I think about a mere 10 points for victory I get this impression of inertia, that no matter what you do the gap will not close.

[andrew]

I miss the old 10, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 system.

[darwin dali]

I miss the old 10, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 system.

[scotty]

Any chance of doing this for the 10-6 system? If only cause it might show up a more dramatic change.

[spankyham]

I miss the old 10, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 system.

It was simply the best system because it properly rewarded winning.

[zurich_allan]

Any chance of doing this for the 10-6 system? If only cause it might show up a more dramatic change.

No probs, will do it a bit later today! For what it's worth, that was my favourite points system too.

[zurich_allan]

Ok, so as requested, here's how it would look under the even older 10 - 6 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 points system!

A few things to notice:

1. In this system, McLaren would actually be 2nd in the WCC

2. In general, the WCC looks very open between the top four teams

3. Toro Rosso and Vergne both drop off the points scorer lists

4. Hamilton moves up to third by virtue of more race wins, only a point behind Webber

5. Maldonado's one race win really helps him in the standings

6. All of the mid-grid teams suffer extremely badly in terms of losing points, even just comparing it to the system with points for 1st - 8th


Drivers

1. Alonso - 52
2. Webber - 35 (-17)
3. Lewis - 34 (-18)
4. Vettel - 34 (-18)
5. Kimi - 30 (-22)
6. Button - 23 (-29)
7. Rosberg - 20 (-32)
8. Grosjean - 19 (-33)
9. Perez - 11 (-41)
10. Maldonado - 10 (-42)
11. Kobayashi - 6 (-46)
12. Schumacher - 4 (-48)
13. Massa - 4 (-48)
14. Hulkenberg - 2 (-50)
15. Di Resta - 1 (-51)
16. Senna - 1 (-51)

Constructors

1. Red Bull - 69
2. McLaren - 57 (-12)
3. Ferrari - 56 (-13)
4. Lotus - 49 (-20)
5. Mercedes - 24 (-45)
6. Sauber - 17 (-52)
7. Williams - 11 (-58)
8. Force India - 3 (-66)

[What's Burning?]

I miss the old 10, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 system.

It was simply the best system because it properly rewarded winning.

Which is ironic since that's the very reason given for switching to the new points system.

I have a friend that's very handy with a spreadsheet... maybe I'll ask him to whip up one with all three systems that we can use as a matrix.

[LewEngBridewell]

Drivers

1. Alonso - 52
2. Webber - 35 (-17)
3. Lewis - 34 (-18)
4. Vettel - 34 (-18)
5. Kimi - 30 (-22)
6. Button - 23 (-29)
7. Rosberg - 20 (-32)
8. Grosjean - 19 (-33)
9. Perez - 11 (-41)
10. Maldonado - 10 (-42)
11. Kobayashi - 6 (-46)
12. Schumacher - 4 (-48)
13. Massa - 4 (-48)
14. Hulkenberg - 2 (-50)
15. Di Resta - 1 (-51)
16. Senna - 1 (-51)

Constructors

1. Red Bull - 69
2. McLaren - 57 (-12)
3. Ferrari - 56 (-13)
4. Lotus - 49 (-20)
5. Mercedes - 24 (-45)
6. Sauber - 17 (-52)
7. Williams - 11 (-58)
8. Force India - 3 (-66)

RBR seem so much more catchable in this version!

And Felipe Massa... tut tut...