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[andrew]

The total number of ponies was maybe the same or even more but the acceleration was slightly less blistering.

[myownalias]

The total number of ponies was maybe the same or even more but the acceleration was slightly less blistering.

Back in the 90s with the 3.5 and 3.0 litre formula; the cars were developing about 800bhp which is roughly 50bhp more than we have today; and in the late 80s; there were 1.5 lire turbo engines which developed 1500bhp in qualifying trim... so less power would just make F1 more like GP2! The biggest development in the last 10 years is the increase in aero efficiency, which in turn created a lot of "dirty air" and the FIA's solution was to create KERS and DRS to overcome the inability to follow close enough through a corner to be able to slipstream and make a move on the car in front into a braking zone. The answer is simple, limit the amount of lbs of downforce that is allowed to be created by aero, that'll spice things up without the aid of electronic aids.

[What's Burning?]

The problem is you guys are still thinking regulations. Give them a common ECU, a common set of loose regulations, your basic car must look like this or fit within this volume and dimensions, a common set of fixed number of tires to use as they wish throughout the season and a fixed number of gallons of gas for Sunday's race and let them have at it.

Yes we'd see more "domination" from teams that hit the sweet spot in a year, but we'd get wonderfully new and innovative designs. The problem with the sport today is that it's all about finding the loopholes in the regulations that give you and edge. Under the unregulated environment you'd get true innovation of design.

[myownalias]

WB, either way, I believe the FIA's current direction is completely wrong to push the sport forward; electronic aids are not the answer, having a pass over and done with before even approaching the braking zone of akin to a highway overtake, I remember the days when we'd see cars going wheel to wheel all the way down the straight and the bravest on the brakes would win out!

The biggest thing that is the problem is the FIA keeps on moving the goalposts almost every season, pick a set of rules and regulations and stick with it so teams can develop their car from one year to the next, the way things have been in the last five years means that effectively each team starts from scratch almost every year; which is not very cost effective!

[What's Burning?]

WB, either way, I believe the FIA's current direction is completely wrong to push the sport forward; electronic aids are not the answer, having a pass over and done with before even approaching the braking zone of akin to a highway overtake, I remember the days when we'd see cars going wheel to wheel all the way down the straight and the bravest on the brakes would win out!

The biggest thing that is the problem is the FIA keeps on moving the goalposts almost every season, pick a set of rules and regulations and stick with it so teams can develop their car from one year to the next, the way things have been in the last five years means that effectively each team starts from scratch almost every year; which is not very cost effective!

You make a good point... as that is the best way to actually reduce costs.

[Nin-Chin]

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Interesting shoes on Fernando it doesnt suit the overalls though.

[racechick]

Why don't they just limit the petrol available for a race? That would automtically limit everything else but leave lots of scope for innovation.

[andrew]

Stop limiting things. You're ruining it for me!



But seriously, stop it!

[stonemonkey]

Why don't they just limit the petrol available for a race? That would automtically limit everything else but leave lots of scope for innovation.

That and more freedom on energy recovery, I think someone here mentioned or linked an article saying that's what LeMans is doing.

[scotty]

Formula 1 drivers were warned specifically about increased scrutiny on anyone gaining an advantage by leaving the track, before Sebastian Vettel's controversial move on Jenson Button at the German Grand Prix.

Vettel grabbed second place from Button on the penultimate lap at Hockenheim after using the run-off area at the exit of the hairpin to drive past his McLaren rival.

That incident was investigated by the race stewards, who deemed that Vettel was in breach of the rules for not using the track "at all times" - and he was given a 20-second time penalty in lieu of a drive-through for his actions.

The decision, which dropped Vettel to fifth in the race results, caused some controversy because in other situations - like Lewis Hamilton overtaking Nico Rosberg off track in Bahrain, a move the officials ruled was ultimately completed on track under braking - drivers have escaped punishment. But it is understood that the stewards were reacting to the latest clarification of the rules that was issued at the British GP.

Prior to the race at Silverstone, F1 race director Charlie Whiting sent a note to all teams and race stewards making it clear that while the regulations state no driver can gain an advantage by leaving the track, race stewards would be encouraged to use their discretion in determining the extent of any benefit.

In the note, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, Whiting stated: "Any driver leaving the track, (i.e. no part of his car remains in contact with the track in accordance with the current regulations), may rejoin the track but without gaining an advantage.

"Whilst the relevant regulation stated that a driver may gain no advantage at all by leaving the track, we feel the stewards should be encouraged to use their discretion in cases where it is not entirely clear whether or not a driver has gained any direct or immediate advantage."

The clarification over drivers not gaining any advantage when they run off the track came in the same document where Whiting issued new guidelines about defensive driving – stating that drivers could use the full width of the track to hold back a rival providing that no part of their front wing was alongside the rear wheel of their car.

[What's Burning?]

^^ Helmut still disagrees.

[stonemonkey]

Marko and Vettel have already been warned about suggesting a conspiracy, that just makes them look like total idiots.

[spankyham]

Helmut MarComplot

[myownalias]

There has been a number of occasions where Vettel himself has gone off track and gained an advantage in the past two years and gotten away without punishment so he can drop the hard done by act! This is exactly why I don't like Vettel and the whole Red Bull team, with the exception of Mark Webber; they are happy to break rules but cry fowl when they get caught...

[andrew]

They all do it, though they don't always all get punished.

Come to think of it, having even just one wheel over the white line should be classed as leaving the track. If there were a brick wall on the white line they'd be knackered!