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[madbrad]

This incident aside. I think Perez's issue is with the leniency of his past penalties and Maldonado's determination to continue in the same vein. Yes this incident could be viewed as a racing incident but Perez has seen his team mate have a harsh penalty last race, Maldonado a lenient one. His team mate have a harsher penalty for a complete accident in the pits(what was the point of penalising that??? Kobi regrets it and didnt do it on purpose)And maldonado get off lightly for two previous deliberate dangerous actions (against lewis and peresz himself)

I agree with Perez but you can't give Maldo a lifetime ban for this incident because you think he wasn't punished harshly enough the last time. No matter how lightly one believes he got off last time, it's over with, the punishment is done, should not affect future incidents. The next time Maldo does something eggregious, they will come down hard on him, one would hope. They can't be that blind. In any case these things always bring us back to the eternal question of consistency in penalties. They definitely have problems with that!

[andrew]

I just want to voice my support for Maldonado.

Got to bring some positivity into such a sea og negitive feeling.

You'd support Jack The Ripper for making neighborhoods free of prostitution.

I wouldn't - he was a member of the royal family......apparently.

[The Second Coming]

or something a bit more severe will wake him up.

I'm just saying...

What are you thinking of? I'd have some goooooood ideas for more severe...

DD, half of me really wants to ask but the other half just as soon not dare ask what you have in mind.

I'm just saying...

Classic case of multiple personality disorder

I assumed that was understood.

I'm just saying...

[acosmichippo]

Forget the FIA, what I don't understand is why Frank isn't telling him "YOU ARE LOSING ME POINTS WITH YOUR BS. CHILL THE F*** OUT AND BRING THE CAR HOME."

How do you know he isn't?

True, but I just get the feeling that when the pattern of behavior dates back to Monaco 2011, either team management doesn't care, or he's stubborn to the point of ignoring his management, which as a pay driver should get him into the dog house pretty quickly.

[What's Burning?]

it will stop only when the money Williams spends in fines and repairing the car is greater than the money his Chavez sponsorship brings in.

[acosmichippo]

it will stop only when the money Williams spends in fines and repairing the car is greater than the money his Chavez sponsorship brings in.

But what about money lost due to less points in the WCC? Williams is behind Sauber by 13 points, which they could have easily had if Maldonado didn't crash out of so many races. I don't know the details of the concorde agreement, but it isn't chump change.

[acosmichippo]

a quick review of Maldonado's performances this season...

Australia - DNF due to accident
Malaysia - Engine Failure
China - P8
Bahrain - DNF due to puncture
Spain - P1
Monaco - DNF due to accident
Canada - P13 (maybe an incident here, I can't remember)
Europe - P12 (with accident)
Britain - P16 (with accident)

So he's only finished 3 of 9 races without incident, and 2 of 9 in the points. Take away his win, and he's had an insanely crappy season so far.

[myownalias]

Maldonado is clearly a fast driver, he has proven that but his impetuousness has cost him and Williams a whole host of points. If he can calm down and use his brain a little more, he has the potential to be a future world champion, we have to remember he is still a relative rookie, he is only in his second F1 season. Now moving onto the negative, harsher punishment needs to be forthcoming especially given his behaviour in Monaco, taking a swipe at Perez and forcing the retirement of two drivers in two races. A ban from the next race might make him think twice, post race time penalties mean very little, Valtteri Bottas should be able to take his seat for Williams!

[vaptin]

It's common for penalty systems to have some form of cumulative punishment isn't it? Reoffences are usually treated harsher than if the same offence was a first offence or even a different offence when you don't have an otherwise clean record.

Is there a policy of that for F1? I haven't heard of one, it seems to be at the discretion of whichever stewards are at the race circuit.

[What's Burning?]

I was in the minority in Valencia thinking that Lewis should not have defended and therefore took some of the blame from Maldonado. The stewards disagreed with me. On Sunday however I saw it the other way, and Maldonado was clearly the aggressor causing the accident. Not merely a racing incident but a deliberate attempt to prevent Perez from getting by at all costs so the penalty issued is laughable... Williams I'm sure spent more than that just catering lunch on Saturday.

[acosmichippo]

It's common for penalty systems to have some form of cumulative punishment isn't it? Reoffences are usually treated harsher than if the same offence was a first offence or even a different offence when you don't have an otherwise clean record.

Is there a policy of that for F1? I haven't heard of one, it seems to be at the discretion of whichever stewards are at the race circuit.

Reprimands, which Maldonado received yesterday in addition to the fine, are cumulative. I think it's 3 reprimands, then a one-race suspension.

[What's Burning?]

It's common for penalty systems to have some form of cumulative punishment isn't it? Reoffences are usually treated harsher than if the same offence was a first offence or even a different offence when you don't have an otherwise clean record.

Is there a policy of that for F1? I haven't heard of one, it seems to be at the discretion of whichever stewards are at the race circuit.

Reprimands, which Maldonado received yesterday in addition to the fine, are cumulative. I think it's 3 reprimands, then a one-race suspension.

No, 3 reprimands yields one penalty. The penalty has no direct charge though, it's at the discretion of the stewards.

[acosmichippo]

ah, my mistake.

[scotty]

I find it crazy how some things have become so much more relaxed when others have become so strict.

In 1994 for example Irvine and Hakkinen got race bans for being deemed to have caused large accidents, while most smaller incidents were left alone. Nowadays Maldonado is judged to have hit someone, on purpose, and only a grid penalty is applied - in 1997 Schumacher was disqualified from an entire championship because of this exact thing. Now you get grid penalties for having to change gearbox out of sync and the like; i mean how is needing a new gearbox in the same punishable league as deliberately hitting another driver's vehicle? It's beggar's belief.

I can't help but feel that some things in the bigger picture have been sorely lost sight of through recent years, and for no apparent reason. You have to wonder why that is. Perhaps it's the relatively short sighted culture there is in modern F1. Or they have simply wanted to punish smaller offences without actually bothering to scale the rest of the punishments accordingly.

I never thoroughly considered it until now, but wow, there is something very wrong in all of that.

[LewEngBridewell]

I just want to voice my support for Maldonado.

Got to bring some positivity into such a sea og negitive feeling.

You'd support Jack The Ripper for making neighborhoods free of prostitution.

I wouldn't - he was a member of the royal family......apparently.

Now THAT is a matter of intense debate! There are a whole host of possible suspects! And even then, it's only a "suspect".