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#305616
FIA declares Red Bull floor holes illegal

The FIA has issued a technical directive clarifying that the holes in the Red Bull floor, which sparked rumours of a protest at the Monaco Grand Prix, are illegal.

Since Bahrain, Red Bull has been running holes in the floor ahead of the rear wheels that its rivals felt were questionable under the sport's technical regulations. The RB8 passed scrutineering at the three races it entered with the holes in place, but after talk of its rivals protesting after the Monaco Grand Prix, the FIA has clarified that such a solution is illegal.

The holes contravene regulations that were introduced in 2011 to ban double diffusers, but Red Bull boss Christian Horner said there was a "grey area" in the rules that his team was exploiting. However, the FIA technical directive stated the governing body disagrees with Red Bull's interpretation as it would make Article 3.12.5 "superfluous".

SPEED TV.com published an extract from the technical directive, stating: "Following on from a number of discussions in Monaco, during which it became clear that certain misunderstandings existed, we feel it would be helpful to make our position clear with respect to the presence of a fully enclosed hole in any surface lying on the step plane.

"It has been argued that, as it is not explicitly stated that fully enclosed holes cannot be located in a surface lying on the step plane rearward of a line 450mm forward of the rear face of the cockpit template, then they may be located in such areas. We disagree with this view and consider it implicit that fully enclosed holes may not be located there."

Red Bull is now expected to revise its floor for next weekend's Canadian Grand Prix.

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But hey!! Since it's not McLaren, let's not penalize them whatsoever. :):):)
#305621
What a surprise that they didn't have their points taken away, I bet if that car was silver they would loose all their points for the whole season and be given a huge fine but not these lot what a bunch of cheats is that really the only way red bull can win by cheating. :nono:
#305622
yeah, I really don't understand how they can pass scrutineering, yet later be deemed illegal. If it passes scrutineering, it should be legal, and up to the other teams to copy. This "oh, it was actually illegal" nonsense just makes the sport look f'n dumb.
#305624
I don't believe that action can be taken retroactively as the Red Bull car passed scrutineering at each of the three races so therefore the car was legal as per the rules. For those saying that McLaren would have been punished in the same circumstance, I seriously doubt it, in 2007 when McLaren were punished, it was in the circumstance of being in possession of another team's technical data which is a very different situation from what Red Bull are guilty of, Red Bull asked Charling Whiting if the design was legal and the answer came back YES!
#305625
It's illegal now because Ferrari says it's illegal, how can't you see it?!?!?!
Remember Silverstone last year, they changed the rules during the weekend, same purpose...
#305630
You see ladies, McLaren aren't the only team to make mistakes :yawn:

Yes, but Red Bull's mistakes wins races, unlike McLaren's mistakes which are detrimental to it's drivers performances! ;):hehe:


Meh, McLaren are only 1 race-win behind an illegal Red Bull. Things are FAR from over :twisted::whip:
#305634
To say that they should have their points taken away is rubbish as is saying their car was illegal - it wasn't. Red Bull had it in writing that their car was legal from Charlie Whiting. Since then, a technical clarification has been issued where a loophole that made their car legal has now been closed thus making it illegal. Basically, the car was legal up to and including the Monaco GP. From the Canadian GP onwards their current car is illegal due to a change in the reg's. Don't see what the fuss is. It's not like it's the first time that the reg's have been "clarified" midseason. Time to find the next loophole then.

Incidently, does anyone know what these slots do and how much of a performance gain, if any, they provide? Maybe best to look at this before calling blue murder as any gain could be quite small.
#305635
The car was not illegal for previous 3 races, it is illegal from now as its been deemed illegal

Although the reason for its illegality has existed for 3 races

And a driver gets dqed from quali for 1 kilo of fuel

F1 truly is a trailblazer for fair judicial process
#305636
To say that they should have their points taken away is rubbish as is saying their car was illegal - it wasn't. Red Bull had it in writing that their car was legal from Charlie Whiting. Since then, a technical clarification has been issued where a loophole that made their car legal has now been closed thus making it illegal. Basically, the car was legal up to and including the Monaco GP. From the Canadian GP onwards their current car is illegal due to a change in the reg's. Don't see what the fuss is. It's not like it's the first time that the reg's have been "clarified" midseason. Time to find the next loophole then.

Incidently, does anyone know what these slots do and how much of a performance gain, if any, they provide? Maybe best to look at this before calling blue murder as any gain could be quite small.


Here's the link to the FiA's technical regulations. These are the regulations that applied since the start of this season.

Please post the reg that has changed.
#305637
The regulations have not changed, what has changed is the understanding on what the regulations mean, clearly the scrutineers and technical delegates didn't have a full understanding of the regs!
#305638
The car was not illegal for previous 3 races, it is illegal from now as its been deemed illegal

Although the reason for its illegality has existed for 3 races

And a driver gets dqed from quali for 1 kilo of fuel

F1 truly is a trailblazer for fair judicial process


What about Sauber in Aust last year. They did not fail scrutinizing before the race yet they were disq "after" the race for a variation far smaller (and I might add completely inconsequential) in their car.

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