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[geetface9]

Are you sure? i'm fairly certain the driver has 2 clutches they use for the start. The first one is fully engaged so the car doesn't move and the 2nd is right at the spot where the car will start moving, so once the red lights go out they let go of the first fully engaged clutch and then it's up to the driver to release the 2nd as smoothly and quickly as possible without wheelspin.

[Frontrunner]

Are you sure? i'm fairly certain the driver has 2 clutches they use for the start. The first one is fully engaged so the car doesn't move and the 2nd is right at the spot where the car will start moving, so once the red lights go out they let go of the first fully engaged clutch and then it's up to the driver to release the 2nd as smoothly and quickly as possible without wheelspin.

I think your right about the 2 clutches for the start there Geet though I'm not 100% sure

[PartsaS]

*sigh* Yeah blame the pitcrew for losing 0.6-7s. But that didn't lose him the position to Alonso. That was as clear as day when you see the gap when Alonso exited the pits - he was probably 2.5-3 seconds ahead.

Again it is a matter of strategy, It wasn't just Hamilton been ''too slow'' at that moment, As they saw Alonso's pace before the pitstop they should let him out for one more lap.
Then stucked behind Hamilton Alonso couldn't use his pace to gain that much and it would be down to pit-stop times to make a winner of the 2 of them.
So, for me it was not Hamiltons fault...

[Troyron]

Are you sure? i'm fairly certain the driver has 2 clutches they use for the start. The first one is fully engaged so the car doesn't move and the 2nd is right at the spot where the car will start moving, so once the red lights go out they let go of the first fully engaged clutch and then it's up to the driver to release the 2nd as smoothly and quickly as possible without wheelspin.

From what they explained on tv yesterday, the driver have to hold the clutch at a certain spot and release, but after that its down to the launch control system. But Im sure there are some other people on this forum with more technical knowledge. From what I heard, its about 20-30% driver and 70-80% LCS.

[myownalias]

Are you sure? i'm fairly certain the driver has 2 clutches they use for the start. The first one is fully engaged so the car doesn't move and the 2nd is right at the spot where the car will start moving, so once the red lights go out they let go of the first fully engaged clutch and then it's up to the driver to release the 2nd as smoothly and quickly as possible without wheelspin.

From what they explained on tv yesterday, the driver have to hold the clutch at a certain spot and release, but after that its down to the launch control system. But Im sure there are some other people on this forum with more technical knowledge. From what I heard, its about 20-30% driver and 70-80% LCS.

I seem to remember Launch Control being banned about 2 - 3 years ago, but the FIA technical goalposts are constantly moving so I maybe wrong about that!

[geetface9]

Are you sure? i'm fairly certain the driver has 2 clutches they use for the start. The first one is fully engaged so the car doesn't move and the 2nd is right at the spot where the car will start moving, so once the red lights go out they let go of the first fully engaged clutch and then it's up to the driver to release the 2nd as smoothly and quickly as possible without wheelspin.

From what they explained on tv yesterday, the driver have to hold the clutch at a certain spot and release, but after that its down to the launch control system. But Im sure there are some other people on this forum with more technical knowledge. From what I heard, its about 20-30% driver and 70-80% LCS.

I seem to remember Launch Control being banned about 2 - 3 years ago, but the FIA technical goalposts are constantly moving so I maybe wrong about that!

To my knowledge, there is no electronic aid for it, so the driver's use of the 2nd clutch is the launch control system hopefully somebody with more tech know-how can clear this matter up for us. I'm inclined to believe that it is completely up to the driver, which is why webber has so many bad starts because he's really just no good at them, unless he consistently has a very faulty launch control software system, in which case we can bring back the 2010/11 conspiracies about red bull sabotaging his car

[Troyron]

Are you sure? i'm fairly certain the driver has 2 clutches they use for the start. The first one is fully engaged so the car doesn't move and the 2nd is right at the spot where the car will start moving, so once the red lights go out they let go of the first fully engaged clutch and then it's up to the driver to release the 2nd as smoothly and quickly as possible without wheelspin.

From what they explained on tv yesterday, the driver have to hold the clutch at a certain spot and release, but after that its down to the launch control system. But Im sure there are some other people on this forum with more technical knowledge. From what I heard, its about 20-30% driver and 70-80% LCS.

I seem to remember Launch Control being banned about 2 - 3 years ago, but the FIA technical goalposts are constantly moving so I maybe wrong about that!

You are correct about that. But from what they said on TV yesterday, they now have something else. Dont get me wrong, its up to the driver as well. But lets wait and see what the gurus say.

[cheekybru]

A 3 second pitstop would have made no difference as Scotty has pointed out.

You need to accept that the pit crew did a good job. Granted not the fatest but error free.

It would have, not against alonso, but he lost bout 1.3 seconds over the stops to vettel, and see how close they were, so to say it would of made "no difference" is stupid

he would never have kept 3rd but 4th wouldve been his

[FerrariFan63]

I'm trying to remember if I saw any no-excuses passes for position on the track yesterday. I don't mean passes like the F.I. (which one?) going past Raikkonen when KR was impeded by Perez, but a standard pass.

[McLaren]

I'm trying to remember if I saw any no-excuses passes for position on the track yesterday. I don't mean thinks like the F.I. (which one?) going past Raikkonen when KR was impeded by Perez, but a standard pass.

Exactly why i never bother watching the monaco grand prix.Farce of a circuit.Historical or not is terrible.

[Ferrari man 009]

I'm trying to remember if I saw any no-excuses passes for position on the track yesterday. I don't mean passes like the F.I. (which one?) going past Raikkonen when KR was impeded by Perez, but a standard pass.

There were 1 or 2 into the chicane by Perez early on, but nothing else to note.

[vlad]

I'm trying to remember if I saw any no-excuses passes for position on the track yesterday. I don't mean passes like the F.I. (which one?) going past Raikkonen when KR was impeded by Perez, but a standard pass.

It was Hulkenberg.

[FerrariFan63]

There were 1 or 2 into the chicane by Perez early on, but nothing else to note.

I thought these passes were a bit questionable as Perez was cutting the chicane to make the pass. Was there a clean one?

[spankyham]

Seems McLaren wrote to Red Bull before qualifying to give them a chance to change their floor. Either way, after meeting with Ferrari's Pat Fry McLaren didn't protest, although the item will be looked at by the TWG today.

Link.

FIA’s Technical Working Group to discuss RBR controversy on Monday

Protests against the controversial hole in the Red Bull floor failed to materialise after the Monaco GP, despite rival teams indicating that they are not happy with it.

However sources have told this writer that the matter will be discussed at a meeting of the FIA Technical Working Group in Monaco tomorrow morning.

That will give the FIA and the teams an opportunity to discuss new evidence – in other words the alternative interpretations presented by RBR’s rivals – and there is a possibility that the conclusion could be that Red Bull’s interpretation is wrong after all, and the floor will have to be changed in time for the next race in Canada.

The FIA approved the item when it first appeared on the car at the Bahrain GP, and it was not questioned in post-race scrutineering in Monaco.

However it’s not unusual for the FIA to adjust its opinions and declare a car part no longer legal without affecting past results.

The hole caught the attention of rival teams during the Monaco weekend, and McLaren wrote to Red Bull at 1.32pm on Saturday, just prior to qualifying, expressing its opinion and giving the team a chance to change the car – something that clearly was not going to happen at such a late stage.

Red Bull could not then adjust the cars between qualifying and the race due to parc ferme conditions.

Although McLaren and Ferrari clearly considered a protest – technical directors Paddy Lowe and Pat Fry met in the Ferrari truck after the race – the teams appear to have decided that it was in the best interests of the sport to not question the Webber win in the most prestigious race of the year, and in effect risk being seen as bad losers.

Ross Brawn agreed that a post race protest was bad form. He told this writer: “We made our statements after people were querying our interpretations of the regulations, and I think there’s a time and place for it. But I can understand why people are agitated by it.

“I understand now that Red Bull were made aware of people’s concerns some time ago. As it’s explained to me it doesn’t sound correct, but I haven’t heard Red Bull’s explanation.”

Meanwhile McLaren’s Martin Whitmarsh said: “I think it will be sorted out shortly.”

[bud]

Best decision in the end.