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[bud]

hang on a sec cheating? this is hardly cheating a mistake was made which caused this to happen, it was not a deliberate act by the team!

The initial lack of fuel was a simple mistake, which wasn't deliberate. A tap was turned the wrong way and then McLaren had cut the timing so close that there wasn't time to get enough fuel into the car.

However, team management knew of this problem as LH went out on the warm-up lap. As the technician involved told them, and they have very accurate sensors saying how much fuel is in the car. McLaren then took a deliberate decision to allow LH to go for the pole lap rather than aborting the lap. After that Martin Whitmarsh claimed that the car had enough fuel to get back to the pits, when it didn't.

It's not the problem of the initial lack of fuel that is the problem, that's a plain, ordinary, mistake. It's what McLaren did after that which is the much more serious problem. And in my opinion it's McLaren's actions after the problem with low fuel was known that led the stewards to be so draconian.

You seriously think trying to cover up mistakes when explaining to the stewards is unique to McLaren or something? Considering you're a Ferrari fan lets use them as an example, You don't have to look back too far to hear Ferrari lie about incidents put up to the stewards in order to not get punished. Germany 2010 prime example of the bs explanation by Ferraris management after the race.

[LewEngBridewell]

hang on a sec cheating? this is hardly cheating a mistake was made which caused this to happen, it was not a deliberate act by the team!

The initial lack of fuel was a simple mistake, which wasn't deliberate. A tap was turned the wrong way and then McLaren had cut the timing so close that there wasn't time to get enough fuel into the car.

However, team management knew of this problem as LH went out on the warm-up lap. As the technician involved told them, and they have very accurate sensors saying how much fuel is in the car. McLaren then took a deliberate decision to allow LH to go for the pole lap rather than aborting the lap. After that Martin Whitmarsh claimed that the car had enough fuel to get back to the pits, when it didn't.

It's not the problem of the initial lack of fuel that is the problem, that's a plain, ordinary, mistake. It's what McLaren did after that which is the much more serious problem. And in my opinion it's McLaren's actions after the problem with low fuel was known that led the stewards to be so draconian.

You seriously think trying to cover up mistakes when explaining to the stewards is unique to McLaren or something? Considering you're a Ferrari fan lets use them as an example, You don't have to look back too far to hear Ferrari lie about incidents put up to the stewards in order to not get punished. Germany 2010 prime example of the bs explanation by Ferraris management after the race.

You can't get more blatant than that!

[vaptin]

It was different as other teams had used team orders illegally but no action had been taken.

Not so in this case.

[FerrariFan63]

You seriously think trying to cover up mistakes when explaining to the stewards is unique to McLaren or something? Considering you're a Ferrari fan lets use them as an example, You don't have to look back too far to hear Ferrari lie about incidents put up to the stewards in order to not get punished. Germany 2010 prime example of the bs explanation by Ferraris management after the race.

This is completely irrelevant to the current conversation. We're discussing whether McLaren made deliberate decisions concerning LH's last qualifying lap (including outlap and aborted inlap), or whether it was just an unintentional error.

I take your sudden change of topic and distraction argument as evidence that you can't address the points I raised, and leave it there.

[LewEngBridewell]

Despite what I said earlier about the showers to the west of the circuit, I've just seen a re-tweet by EwanM, that these showers are 50 miles away over the Pyrenees! This is probably unlikely to affect the race.

[bud]

How is it irrelevant to bring up an example to counter a claim you made about Management trying to cover up/lie to stewards over an incident?

As for your concocted claims about knowingly going for the lap when running out of fuel is just utter nonsense. (expected from you when concerning McLaren) They know the rules about returning to the pits under their own power, after all it was yet another brand new rule brought in because of the FIA's love for Lewis. They said they thought they had a claim for force majure because of the fuelling error, maybe they thought they might just scrape in and make it back to the pits. To suggest that they would go out to do a lap in which knowingly would get a penalty is just stupid!

[McLaren]

Despite what I said earlier about the showers to the west of the circuit, I've just seen a re-tweet by EwanM, that these showers are 50 miles away over the Pyrenees! This is probably unlikely to affect the race.

Yea i've looked at 3 or 4 different forecasts and none of them mention rain until early evening.Is a lot more over cast today though.

[Denthúl]

Even without rain, the track temperature is down. Could be interesting...

[LewEngBridewell]

Even without rain, the track temperature is down. Could be interesting...

Indeed. Which teams do we think this could benefit then?

[Denthúl]

Mercedes, certainly...

[geetface9]

Mercedes, certainly...

rosberg and schumi could be making up some ground if this is the case!

[LewEngBridewell]

Mercedes, certainly...

Their tyre degradation may well not be as extreme as usual. They're starting 6th and 8th, so that could be interesting...

[NocturnalTendencies]

"This is his brother, he's just had a mental breakdown so he won't be talking about it for a while. Sorry."

http://twitter.com/#!/CraigLongdon_F1

If this is indeed his true state of mind, that's very sad.

[LewEngBridewell]

"This is his brother, he's just had a mental breakdown so he won't be talking about it for a while. Sorry."

http://twitter.com/#!/CraigLongdon_F1

If this is indeed his true state of mind, that's very sad.

What a mess this whole episode has been.

[bud]

"This is his brother, he's just had a mental breakdown so he won't be talking about it for a while. Sorry."

http://twitter.com/#!/CraigLongdon_F1

If this is indeed his true state of mind, that's very sad.

Looks like he is only 20, maybe McLaren should hire people with a bit more experience to work in this business.