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#302055
The brake ducts in those pics are very interesting... given the fact that the cooling duct is attached so high in the tire, perhaps the duct is also helping to warm the rears?
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By bud
#302056
I really do hope that Ferrari have found something special with their re-design. The more race winners and compertitors the better, as far as Im concerned.

I'm all for that but as far as I'm concerned Ferrari and Fernando can stay fighting to make Q3 :twisted:
#302064
I really do hope that Ferrari have found something special with their re-design. The more race winners and compertitors the better, as far as Im concerned.

I'm all for that but as far as I'm concerned Ferrari and Fernando can stay fighting to make Q3 :twisted:


This. :twisted:
#302065
I really do hope that Ferrari have found something special with their re-design. The more race winners and compertitors the better, as far as Im concerned.


Well, to put this in perspective, It would be a great result if Ferrari could gain 2 or 3 tenths on the rest by the time we get to Barcelona, if they did better than that, it would be exceptional.
#302066
Felipe Massa concedes it is not very realistic for Ferrari to expect to make the "huge step forward" they need to start challenging the current front-runners on merit in time for next week's Spanish Grand Prix.

The Maranello outfit have trailed the respective pole sitters by around a second on outright qualifying pace at each of the first four rounds of the season with only Fernando Alonso's gritty performances in races keeping them within striking distance of the top of the Drivers' Championship.

This week's Mugello test has therefore been seen as more crucial for Ferrari than any of their usual rivals, with the team hoping a big package of upgrades to the F2012 allows them to get back in podium contention when the racing season resumes at Barcelona next week.

On Thursday's final day of testing Ferrari rolled out a heavily revised rear-end on the car but Massa, who only tried out comparatively minor updates on his sole day in the F2012 on Wednesday, reckons it will be hard to make a massive jump forward in such a short space of time giving all their rivals are also introducing upgrades.

"To close the gap you need to improve much, much more than the others," he told Sky Sports News.

"The others are working, the others are improving. For sure in three weeks you see cars improving two or three tenths. We need to make a huge step forward.

"Definitely it's a bit too optimistic, but we'll see how it's going to be. The new parts, when we have everything in the car, we can talk better. I think now, before trying, it's just difficult to say."

He added: "To close the gap to the guys which is winning the races is a little bit too optimistic - but we hope."


Source: Sky Sports F1

Could be playing things down and sandbagging but I doubt it. Maybe since Felipe knows he won't be racing with them next year, he's trying to make Ferrari look bad. :hehe:
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By bud
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Teams brand Mugello test a waste of time and money
“It’s very beautiful and the food is very good, but we are spending a lot of money and honestly we didn’t feel the need to come here,” said Red Bull boss Christian Horner when asked about the usefulness of testing at Mugello in Tuscany.

Lotus boss Eric Boullier described the test as “money spent needlessly” while one of Mercedes’ senior engineers told Gazzetta dello Sport, “I wonder about the sense of having just one test session during the season. Either we do more tests or we forget it.”

Mark Webber meanwhile said, “It would be amazing to hold a Grand Prix here, but it’s too fast for a test; in the calendar there isn’t another track like it.”

The drivers on the whole have been having a ball on the 5.25km Mugello track, which is in one of the most beautiful parts of Italy, near Florence. The circuit has many high speed corners and is a thrill to drive in a modern F1 car, according to most of them. “Spectacular”, “Incredibly fast” and “Stunning” are just some of the reactions from the F1 drivers at the test.

But they will also admit that there has been a limit to the value that the engineers have been able to derive from testing new parts on their cars on this atypical circuit.

The logical thing to do would have been to test at Barcelona this week and then leave the trucks and equipment down there for next week’s Grand Prix, which is what the teams used to do in the early 2000s. This made for rather dull Spanish Grands Prix as everyone had such a good set up for the race and the order was entirely predictable. But at least Barcelona is representative of what the teams will face for most of the season in terms of the variety of corners. Mugello only prepares them for Spa and to half of Silverstone.

Also with the young drivers’ test set for Silverstone in July this test isn’t the only opportunity the teams have to test updates on their cars during the season. So it’s importance and relevance is diminished compared to what they expected.

Today Fernando Alonso got his hands on an updated Ferrari with a new rear wing, rear bodywork and new exhausts, but then crashed it. He went off, damaging the nose section of the car, which came to rest with its left side in the barriers.

“At least two hours to repair the damages. It is a shame but that’s testing!”, said the official Ferrari twitter.

Vitaly Petrov had said on Wednesday that he felt the track wasn’t suited to F1 cars, “I don’t think we should have come here,” he said. “It is not safe and wide enough. If you lose it, the walls are so close and you will smash into the tyres. It is not for Formula 1 and, if you lost the steering or the tyre pressure dropped or whatever, then it will be a big crash.”

Ferrari’s full update kit, featuring a new front wing and new diffuser, has not been seen in Mugello this week. It will only break cover next week in Spain, the team saying that it wanted more time in the wind tunnel.

Felipe Massa appeared to criticise this decision in the Italian media yesterday, saying “It would have been better to test everything here. but we are not ready. To close the gap to the top we need to grow faster than them. But I think that in the next few weeks we will find two or three tenths.”

Meanwhile Sauber’s chief designer Matt Morris has spoken out about the feasibility of copying the Mercedes Double DRS system, which was definitively passed as legal by the FIA last month. It seems that only the richest teams are likely to consider copying it, as the cost to benefit ratio doesn’t stack up for most,

“We have done some evaluation on it in the factory, but at the moment it’s not really working for us in terms of cost versus performance,” Morris told Autosport.com. “It doesn’t really stack up for us at the moment. And beyond the cost versus performance issue, it’s difficult to know exactly the potential benefits and then it’s only really useful in qualifying as well.

“It’s definitely a few tenths of a second in qualifying, but to get that [benefit] so many parts in the car would have to be changed. That’s the problem.”
#302068
The moaning never stops i swear to god! :rolleyes::hehe:
#302069
any indication of Alonso's crash? like perhaps he was caught off guard and not accustomed to the transition between on and off of the double DRS they may be testing?
#302089
any indication of Alonso's crash? like perhaps he was caught off guard and not accustomed to the transition between on and off of the double DRS they may be testing?


Nice one WB. But, no, the modified rear wing that seemed, to some, a little "fatter" wasn't installed until the afternoon. It also had the monkey seat removed and the beam was detached also on that new rear wing configuration. So, the off was unlikely to be anything to do with any DDRS. Although the rumors are there that Ferrari will at least test a DDRS in Barcelona.

New things on the Ferrari as I saw them:-
1 ) 3 exhaust configurations
2 ) new rear brake ducts
3 ) new vanes under/behind front pylons (which are now partially painted black)
4 ) new rear wing
5 ) new beam wing
6 ) no monkey seat
7 ) new floor
8 ) new engine cover
9 ) new/more vanes added to bottom/rear of rear wing assembly
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#302091
A general comment on the 3 days testing from SF perspective. First and most important everyone is happy and upbeat - unlike after pre-season testing. Second, everything they tried worked - which means they have a much better understanding of the car and what it needs.

Alonso indicated that the upgrades brought to Mugello were relatively small, meaning bigger things to come for Barcelona, Canada and Valencia.
#302095
What's a monkey seat?


Massa did day 1 right? day 2 and 3 they removed the monkey seat...


Below is the monkey seat. It was added in Bahrain and, in Mugello it was there on day 1 and day 2 and also morning of day 3. It disappeared when they fitted the new rear wing section in the afternoon of day 3. That included new extra vanes at the rear bottom section and additional sculpted look openings on top of endplates. As well a new beam which was detached was also used.

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#302108
All the teams are saying they have improved. It's all a lot of PR. I wonder how much of what is said is influenced by Bernie wanting the fans to think it's still a tight race. We won't get any useful knowledge from Mugello. Only perhaps it means they're mixing it up and we might get even more different winners this season, possibly more new winners, possibly more than 4 consecutive races with different winners. Depending how I interpret Mugello, it should be exciting for fans for the next few races.
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