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[Jabberwocky]

I had not read that article until just now. What is wrong with it? It may be a bit tongue in cheek but makes sense.

[racechick]

Biased, sarcastic, having a go at people who have differing views, ridiculing people with differing views. Ok for a poster to write like that but not an editor If she wants to oppose peoples views and concerns she'd be better off digging up some actual facts,as a journalist that should be easy for her. But no she didnt bother to do that.
"Poor, poor Lewis" Whats all that about? The views being expressed about the goings on at McLaren are by Fans as far as I know, not supported by either driver...as far asI know. So "poor poor Lewis". Completely uncalled for and out of context. I guess she doesnt like him which may account for the article. And lumping it with Mercedes??? Two different issues. Was that to try and have bigger impact or to diguise how poor her attempts at ridicule are. Rant over.

[bud]

She's*** the nail on the head with her last paragraph wouldn't you say? And she is telling it how it is from reading it all for her job! Being a fan of a certain driver doesn't give you the right to slant a team or certain people just to explain said drivers bad luck! If you're going to throw ridiculous accusations out there be prepared to be laughed at.

[LewEngBridewell]

There's no conspiracy issue at McLaren. Just a slight pit-stop issue that needs sorting.

[racechick]

No, she's not hit the nail on the head. Fans have every right to voice their concerns. She on the otherhand is a journalist and should be far more circumspect with her views. If she wishes to counter claims then she should go and do her job and counter them with facts not subjective tosh.

[bud]

No, she's not hit the nail on the head. Fans have every right to voice their concerns. She on the otherhand is a journalist and should be far more circumspect with her views. If she wishes to counter claims then she should go and do her job and counter them with facts not subjective tosh.

Her opinion on the matter is as it is, if someone says to you "the earth is flat i have proof" do you have to give that claim the time of day? You obviously don't understand how ridiculous the conspiracy theories put forward about Lewis sound to a sane person... But that's ok you're biased. Which leads to this, why is it only Lewis Hamilton fans think it? If it was so apparent you would have many people coming out saying theres something going on. most importantly of all Lewis himself!

[geetface9]

If it was so apparent you would have many people coming out saying theres something going on. most importantly of all Lewis himself!

$25 million contract could get me to hush up about anything

[McLaren]

First of all nice one on naming a thread this,fingers crossed it will all stay contained here.

You are dealing with a mega rich multi billion company here,if you think for one minute they would sabotage their own points tally each weekend,your mad.

Going back to 1989 for example,Alain Prost had said he wanted to leave the team,had signed for Ferrari and had fallen out with just about everyone at the team.So if Prost won the title the number one would be going with him (it did).McLaren gave him the same machinery ,yes they wanted Ayrton to win but they remained true to both drivers cause.The constructer title was already won by then aswell,so they could of done the dirty on Alain ,but didn't.My point they didn't stop Alain winning so surely a driver they have had since he was about nine ,is not going to get unfair treatment.Regardless on who if anyone that prefers someone else.

How do you know what McLaren's structure is on pit stops anyway ?.It might be a case of as Jenson got more points last season,he gets to choose when to come in first..Something that is possible as I'm sure Lewis didn't think for one minute Jens could beat him.I wouldn't read too much into pit radio's ,as it happens on sky Jens called in moaning about his tyres before Lewis,guessing thats why he came in.Probably a case of who radios in first gets the option ?.Also with the wet GP,I would say it was more of a case of let jens be the gunnie pig.

F1 drivers don't need wrapping up in cotton wool.If they were that weak they needed constant bigging up they wouldn't even get to the sport.You are dealing with two of the best drivers in the world here,things will never run 100% smoothly.I think you have to give credit to McLaren to trying putting two world champions in the same car.They are the only team that have tried it on a few occasions,can't remember any other team trying it in recent years,if ever.

As for all out speed this year.Lewis can ring the neck out of the car in quali,hense why he normally beats Jens.Something he can't do in the race due to the pathetic tyre situation at the moment.Drivers are not being allowed to drive the car to the limit due to tyres,something I find a joke.It also evens out the drivers.Drivers from all teams are saying this.

I can understand RC being the way she is,very much a Lewis fan,we all have our own coloured blinkers on at times.I'm sure I'm the same with McLaren.But at the end of the day there isn't anyone in that McLaren garage that doesn't want to win.

They are not going to sabotage any possible points.Every single worker for McLaren gets a bonus for every point the team gets.Even someone taking the calls at HQ.It would be madness to cost yourself a bonus wouldn't it ?.Sometimes you just have to admit that mistakes happen,With the pit stops it's a joke.Seems madness it can happen,but it does.Everyone makes mistakes.

[Blackavar]

Christ almighty.

Even if Whitmarsh prefers Jensen over Lewis, it's not hard to see why. If this really is the case then all it takes for Lewis to "be on level terms with Button" is for him to drive faster around the racetrack.

This whole issue is absolute nonsense. That's all I have to say.

[LRW]

Facts and Observations? More like just observations from an external source (Lewis Hamilton fan)

So, sorry these are not facts you provided just your own opinion, you aren't in the team and there is no way you can make these claims and label them as facts.
Your arguement is weak at best, and if any of it were true then why oh why does Lewis not see it from where he is? And if he does then why oh why does he bloody stay and put up with it?

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This I have to agree with. A fair amount of the original "facts" that RC posted are either heresay, opinion, or guess work made up by adding 2+2 and getting the square root of Pi.

[What's Burning?]

Can't say more than I've already said about this. No conspiracy, but plenty of bone headed incidents with some bad luck liberally sprinkled in. The thing McLaren need to find out is how to turn Saturday's speed into Sunday pace. I'm glad Lewis is pushing on that.

Ah, just had a thought, what if McLaren are indeed doing this whole conspiracy thin in order to have Lewis be down on points to Button... this way as a clear number 2 driver, he'd not be able to renegotiate as juicy a contract?

Sorry...

[racechick]

I didnt claim everything I wrote to be fact. Its fact, observations, theories and speculations.

[andrew]

@BudNo, I still dont think its a conspiracy...YET. Yes they are my observations,my theories, but there are also undeniable facts.
Since you post again the badly written sarcastic piece from PF1 I'll post again the link so people can see how its getting rubbished.
http://www.planetf1.com/editorial/76948 ... iracy-This.." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
Bear in mind the editor does exactly what it says on the tin...edits out posts she dislikes. Still enough remain. Look particularly at the older posts. The ones with 30 or more 'recommends'. Lots of people have views far stronger than mine and lots of those who think all is fine at Mclaren still think that piece of journalism was emotive poo.

Nothing wrong with it. This person may be an editor but they are entitled their own opinion as much as the next person. It's just a humorous psudo-report that counters your opinion. What would you say if the ditor shared your opinion? Just sayin'.

I didnt claim everything I wrote to be fact. Its fact, observations, theories and speculations.

Isn't an observation a fact? An incorrect observation can't be a fact can it? Splitting hairs, I know, but it's what I do.

There's no conspiracy issue at McLaren. Just a slight pit-stop issue that needs sorting.

True this. They're going through a rough patch.

[racechick]

Isn't an observation a fact? An incorrect observation can't be a fact can it? Splitting hairs, I know, but it's what I do.

No an observation is not a fact, because one person may interpret what they observe one way and another person may interpret it another way. A fact is indisputable. I would agree with your second point that an incorrect observation cannot be a fact. Thats why I said my initial post was made up of observations AND facts.

[andrew]

Isn't an observation a fact? An incorrect observation can't be a fact can it? Splitting hairs, I know, but it's what I do.

No an observation is not a fact, because one person may interpret what they observe one way and another person may interpret it another way. A fact is indisputable. I would agree with your second point that an incorrect observation cannot be a fact. Thats why I said my initial post was made up of observations AND facts.

So it's the interpretation of the observation that may or may not be factual.