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#301070
Lewis leaving mclaren? That would blow. I think the team is fine.

I think Mclaren have the best car on the grid right now, and getting some new air guns isn't a big deal.

God, I can just see it now, Lewis gets pick up by Red Bull, and you lewisites think mclaren are treating him badly, hate to see what happens when he's put up again vettel.

I think Hamiliton is going to do fine, this was just a poor day, it happens, I don't see red bull pulling anymore out of that like that, considering how close lotus were to overtaking him.
#301074
Never thought id say this but

I now want lewis to leave mclaren

:(


It is sad, but I feel the same. I wanted him to be at mcLaren all his career and win and lose together with them. In 2009 when the car was awful it didnt seem as bad as now. He just doesnt fit in that team anymore. :(


I hope he leaves so i don't have to put up with the Lewis Loonies anymore! :wavey-finger:


Lol then you'll be stuck with Mr FlashinthePan Button.

To put his "pace" in Bahrain in perspective:

Lewis pits (3 seconds in front of Button at this point)
Gets delayed 6 seconds in pits

Works his way back to within a SECOND of Button

Lewis pits (1 second behind Button)
Gets delayed 10 flaming seconds in the pits!!

Works his way up to within 4 seconds behind Button.

Button wrecks his tyres and crawls into the pits.

You'll never have McLaren leading the pack an entire season (in fact last time we had that was 1999...and even that was close), so if anyone's going to win WDCs for them, its Lewis (the guy who brought McLaren their WDC after a DECADE of waiting). Button needs a car which is 2 seconds a lap quicker than everyone else for the first half of a season to win Championships. :hehe:
#301075
I understand that. Thats why I said I didnt feel like this when the 2009 car performed badly. Its not just about the bad performace at the weekend, things have been far worse. He just doesnt seem to fit in at the current McLaren.


Yeah 2009 Heikki was well and truly being made a number 2 driver with updates going to Lewis. Some say fair enough he was the world champion.

I think thats your problem. you Lewis fans are used to him being the centre of attention and cannot get your fan boyish minds around the fact McLaren have tried to make things as even for Jenson joining the team as possible. But to think that the McLaren team would deliberately screw up just to hinder Lewis is just idiocy!

*This comment will be erased from my memory if the team sorts their lives out and he goes on to win a great world championship this year :clap:


Yeah I hope he does too and I'll be grinning and laughing at you lot that called for him to leave! :thumbdown: You're not fans!


You cant say were not fans just because you support a team rather than a driver, I support Lewis first Mclaren second, and frankly i wouldnt mind seeing him elsewhere now or at Least get a new race enginere who understands when to pit him, Its like racechick says, the mclaren radio is there for all to see, both drivers complain about tires, button gets brought in first EVERY time, every lewis fan watching the race is just :banghead: ing because we can see the race situation, Lewis and Jenson cant see the whole situation, all they can do is tell the team how the tires feel, when both say they are gone, it should be the lead driver brought in first every time and the last two races this hasnt happened, No wonder lewis hasnt signed a new contract.
#301077
I understand that. Thats why I said I didnt feel like this when the 2009 car performed badly. Its not just about the bad performace at the weekend, things have been far worse. He just doesnt seem to fit in at the current McLaren.


Yeah 2009 Heikki was well and truly being made a number 2 driver with updates going to Lewis. Some say fair enough he was the world champion.

I think thats your problem. you Lewis fans are used to him being the centre of attention and cannot get your fan boyish minds around the fact McLaren have tried to make things as even for Jenson joining the team as possible. But to think that the McLaren team would deliberately screw up just to hinder Lewis is just idiocy!

*This comment will be erased from my memory if the team sorts their lives out and he goes on to win a great world championship this year :clap:


Yeah I hope he does too and I'll be grinning and laughing at you lot that called for him to leave! :thumbdown: You're not fans!


Yes we are fans. Just because we follow primarily a driver and you primarily a team, it doesnt make us any less fans. Ive probably been following F1 in some form or other since you were in nappies.
Im interested you think Lewis was favoured over Heikki. So you agree McLaren arent abolve a little favouring? You see regarding the spare parts, as I understand it, if there's only one available it goes to the driver ahead in the standings. I think thats fair not favouritism. Lewis and Jenson also accept that situation.
#301078
Never thought id say this but

I now want lewis to leave mclaren

:(


It is sad, but I feel the same. I wanted him to be at mcLaren all his career and win and lose together with them. In 2009 when the car was awful it didnt seem as bad as now. He just doesnt fit in that team anymore. :(


I hope he leaves so i don't have to put up with the Lewis Loonies anymore! :wavey-finger:


Lol then you'll be stuck with Mr FlashinthePan Button.

To put his "pace" in Bahrain in perspective:

Lewis pits (3 seconds in front of Button at this point)
Gets delayed 6 seconds in pits

Works his way back to within a SECOND of Button

Lewis pits (1 second behind Button)
Gets delayed 10 flaming seconds in the pits!!

Works his way up to within 4 seconds behind Button.

Button wrecks his tyres and crawls into the pits.

You'll never have McLaren leading the pack an entire season (in fact last time we had that was 1999...and even that was close), so if anyone's going to win WDCs for them, its Lewis (the guy who brought McLaren their WDC after a DECADE of waiting). Button needs a car which is 2 seconds a lap quicker than everyone else for the first half of a season to win Championships. :hehe:


I did the same math myself, just those 16 seconds would have put Lewis fighting for 4th place... not including the fact that he'd have had fresher tires we may have seen a fourth 3rd place podium finish for Lewis, but that would have been wishful thinking the Lotus cars were quick yesterday.
#301081
You're an idiot if you think the rebroadcasted team radio is a live feed. The directors at each race choose what they want you to hear and when they want you to hear.

And on the pit stops, if there was a clean stop for Lewis he would have been ahead of Jenson, why are you bringing that up like it was done to hinder Lewis and help Jenson? Dd you ever think the team wants both drivers to come out ahead of the cars they are around?
Lewis pitted the same lap as the cars around him Jenson the lap before also did, they want to cover the cars around. The teams all use computer sims to calculate where they will come out in traffic but it's so hard this season with tyre wear and drop offs that even the computer isn't always getting it right.

And yes you're not fans you're fanboys, the fact this s*** is brought up every race proves it, for if you were real F1 fans you'd know the s*** that has happened to Lewis happens to everyone, it's apart of the game.
Jensons been affected too, one pitstop cost him a shot at the win. You guys are too one eyed, you only see Lewis! fans of the team can see more of what's going on.
#301083
And yes you're not fans you're fanboys, the fact this s*** is brought up every race proves it, for if you were real F1 fans you'd know the s*** that has happened to Lewis happens to everyone, it's apart of the game.
Jensons been affected too, one pitstop cost him a shot at the win. You guys are too one eyed, you only see Lewis! fans of the team can see more of what's going on.



:clap:

Not much else to add!
#301084
Dont be so rude to people who disagree with you! I hate the word fanboy but since you insist on using it, you are the one acting like a Mclaren fanboy.
Yesterday's poo was dreadful but thats not the beef most of us have with McLaren, it was shoddy but as you say these things happen. Its the pitwall/pitstop strategies. The info I got wasnt from broadcasters it was from the Mclaren site.
#301087
I'd agree with bud on this one.

To be honest, McLaren didn't show any signs at all in favouring Button yesterday.

Think about it, even if both drivers radioed in at the same lap, Button had more to lose as he was stuck in a lot more traffic. Hamilton just had Webber to worry about and he was keeping him in check with not much trouble.

Plus, stopping later with these crap tyres simply means you will finish the race with stronger tyres...since all the laps accumulates and adds up. It's more of an advantage stopping LATER than earlier as long as your pace is there. Look at when Vettel pitted...ages after both McLarens did, simply because he had the pace.

I just question Mclarens sheer STUPIDITY in not getting that damn left rear wheel sorted out after Button had problems in Malaysia. For a top team, these mistakes are just embarassing honestly.
#301088
Dont be so rude to people who disagree with you! I hate the word fanboy but since you insist on using it, you are the one acting like a Mclaren fanboy.
Yesterday's poo was dreadful but thats not the beef most of us have with McLaren, it was shoddy but as you say these things happen. Its the pitwall/pitstop strategies. The info I got wasnt from broadcasters it was from the Mclaren site.


:rofl: and you think the McLaren site posts every team radio message too? First of all someone types that out its not automated with a direct feed to Lewis and Jensons brain waves.
#301106
Well they come up as its happening not delayed and seem to cover most things that are happenning. So id rather base my opinion on what they do let us see rather than what they choose not to. Not sure where the brain waves bit comes from. Im happy with what their voices say.
Anyway as you say, this is waaay off topic for the Bahrain thread now. So back to Bahrain.
Erm......cant think what else to say about Bahrain now :scratchchin:
Have to think of something because its three weeks now til next race. :(
Ok Ive got one. Do you think Lotus will keep that spectacular Bahrain form and be regularly fighting for wins?
#301116
Here's something to talk about:


McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh was left to put a consoling arm around one member of his team in the wake of what he described as a "classic bad day at the office".
After asserting following last weekend's Chinese Grand Prix that mistakes needed to be limited in order to win the championship in a highly competitive season, errors again undid McLaren in Bahrain on Sunday.
Sadly, for one unnamed team member especially, it has been a wretched two races to forget, which resulted in him beating himself up and being asked to step aside for Lewis Hamilton's final pit stop.
In China last week, Jenson Button was denied a shot at victory by a slow final change of tyres as the left wheel nut cross-threaded at the first time of asking.
At Hamilton's first stop on Sunday, the drive pegs failed to align, again at the left rear, a fault Whitmarsh claims was not of the gunman's making.
Fourteen laps later, another cross-thread with the same wheel delayed Hamilton, forcing Whitmarsh to make the change.
So from second on the grid, Hamilton was forced to settle for eighth, ultimately losing his championship lead to Red Bull race winner Sebastian Vettel who took the chequered flag for the 22nd time in his career.
"Any guy who volunteers to be a gunman in a team is a brave guy," said Whitmarsh.
"These guys are mechanics who don't get paid extra for doing it, who put themselves in the firing line and under an enormous amount of pressure.
"I've been speaking to him just now because I know how hard he is being on himself. I'm very protective of my staff because they deserve my protection.
"He's taken it very badly, but I've given him the reassurance and support of this team.
"It has to be remembered all of us, from team principal down, make mistakes from time to time.
"It's pretty bloody annoying when we do it, and we're often more understanding of other people than we are when we make our own mistakes.
"But there's a lot of pressure these days with three-second stops, and everyone knows the last gun off is the one that dictates the speed of that change.
"So if it hasn't been going well for you, it is an enormously stressful position to be in.
"We did have to change him for the last stop of the race because he took it fairly badly."
Hamilton also plans to offer a kind word as he said: "I don't know who he is, but I will go and see the guy, try and lift him up.
"That's all I can do really, otherwise it's about doing my best and trying to remain positive."

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Seriously, what is Whitmarsh trying to be...a mother hen to all his chickens? Jeez, this isn't primary school man. :rolleyes:

Anyway, what's up with the 'volunteering' to be a gunman? I thought these guys are trained week in and week out, some personnel being specialized for handling pitstops, etc? Or am I completely mistaken, and does every team practice this morning assembly thing where Whitmarsh says "Ok who's our gunman today!" and a few raise their hands "Pick me pick me!"?

Sounds a bit absurd to me, but I'm sure (hope) everything is done way more professionally than what I'm thinking here. :confused:
#301127
Much, though not all, of that reiterates what Whitmarsh said in an interview on SKY after the race. Though he's not my favourite person I think he's right to protect his staff in public, so long as they work behind the scenes and get to the bottom of this problem. I cant see how one gun guy can be blamed. Its a highly stressful role and if he isnt psychologically right for that role then he shouldnt have been put in that position. Is the equipment too sensitive? Is the car putting stress on that side of the car? (didnt Bahrain track go the other way round?) Have the wheel men had sufficient training? I'd have thought so. But they need to take the whole thing apart. The wheel jack man was also at fault because he dropped the car too early. So lots of things not right there. cant blame one poor guy.
#301132
Much, though not all, of that reiterates what Whitmarsh said in an interview on SKY after the race. Though he's not my favourite person I think he's right to protect his staff in public, so long as they work behind the scenes and get to the bottom of this problem. I cant see how one gun guy can be blamed. Its a highly stressful role and if he isnt psychologically right for that role then he shouldnt have been put in that position. Is the equipment too sensitive? Is the car putting stress on that side of the car? (didnt Bahrain track go the other way round?) Have the wheel men had sufficient training? I'd have thought so. But they need to take the whole thing apart. The wheel jack man was also at fault because he dropped the car too early. So lots of things not right there. cant blame one poor guy.

Or sometimes it can be plain bad luck; I think the two LH issues were related, from what I remember, the first stop was a problem getting the wheel on; and the second was getting the wheel off!
#301138
They can indeed be bad luck. I thought both Lewis' were different problems coming off. A misalighnment then a cross thread. Im not technical though so could be wrong with this.


edit: cross thread complicated by rear being dropped off the jack too soon.
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