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[darwin dali]

ESPNF1:
Bernie Ecclestone has warned that the New Jersey street race scheduled for 2013 could be delayed a year to 2014.

The Grand Prix of America, which will be set against the Manhattan skyline, is scheduled to join the calendar next season on a 10-year contract. It emerged recently that construction of the main pit building is well underway, but Ecclestone, F1's chief executive, said there were still questions over whether it would be finished in time.

"Maybe the New York race will be 2013," he told the BBC. "It's a when - 2013 or 2014."

The return of the separate US Grand Prix is still set to take place in November this year at a purpose built track in Texas, despite the promoter falling out with the circuit owners over the winter. The hope is that the two events will work together to boost F1's profile in the USA, but that may now be delayed.

[What's Burning?]

I read that I had two immediate reactions... 1, pretend I didn't read it and 2, it's not anything to worry about for at least another ten months or so. I'll be spending a lot of time in that area since my daughter starts school in NYC in the fall, so I'll keep a close eye on the progress.

When it does come, my plan is to stay over at my mother in law's, and walk to the circuit! Her apartment is about a mile and a half from there. I hadn't realized it's a ten year contract.

[bud]

Surely there's less construction required for NJ between now and the race in 2013 compared to the Texan race between now and November?

[geetface9]

Surely there's less construction required for NJ between now and the race in 2013 compared to the Texan race between now and November?

that'd be my guess as well!

[myownalias]

I did predict this might happen, the lead time to complete these circuits, street or dedicated is far too short, 18 months to build a whole track to F1 standards if extremely short, there has been a number of recent additions that were barely raceable when the GP took place, I certainly wouldn't say that Indian was 100% complete before it was raced upon!

[bud]

A street track requires far less construction as the structures around the track are temporary. Even building a permanent pit area is nothing compared to building an entire circuit like at Austin. I can't see how a 2013 time frame can't be met if Austin is still planning on being ready by November seeing the current state of development.

[LewEngBridewell]

Oh no! Not MORE speculation and uncertainty over a new venue!

[myownalias]

I did predict this might happen, the lead time to complete these circuits, street or dedicated is far too short, 18 months to build a whole track to F1 standards if extremely short, there has been a number of recent additions that were barely raceable when the GP took place, I certainly wouldn't say that Indian was 100% complete before it was raced upon!

Yes, theoretically that's correct but there are logistical considerations that do not exist on purpose built circuits, like managing traffic flow during construction, maybe they can only work certain hours on public roads and maybe even the painfully slow construction workers in the US, here in Wichita, it took two whole years to complete 1/2 mile of three lane highway!

[McLaren]

I did predict this might happen, the lead time to complete these circuits, street or dedicated is far too short, 18 months to build a whole track to F1 standards if extremely short, there has been a number of recent additions that were barely raceable when the GP took place, I certainly wouldn't say that Indian was 100% complete before it was raced upon!

Yes, theoretically that's correct but there are logistical considerations that do not exist on purpose built circuits, like managing traffic flow during construction, maybe they can only work certain hours on public roads and maybe even the painfully slow construction workers in the US, here in Wichita, it took two whole years to complete 1/2 mile of three lane highway!

I think the problem these days can be solved in three words
HEALTH AND SAFETY ,slows everything down

[andrew]

I did predict this might happen, the lead time to complete these circuits, street or dedicated is far too short, 18 months to build a whole track to F1 standards if extremely short, there has been a number of recent additions that were barely raceable when the GP took place, I certainly wouldn't say that Indian was 100% complete before it was raced upon!

Yes, theoretically that's correct but there are logistical considerations that do not exist on purpose built circuits, like managing traffic flow during construction, maybe they can only work certain hours on public roads and maybe even the painfully slow construction workers in the US, here in Wichita, it took two whole years to complete 1/2 mile of three lane highway!

I think the problem these days can be solved in three words
HEALTH AND SAFETY ,slows everything down

Lack of health and safety or the incorrect applictation of, often slows things down even more.

[What's Burning?]

I did predict this might happen, the lead time to complete these circuits, street or dedicated is far too short, 18 months to build a whole track to F1 standards if extremely short, there has been a number of recent additions that were barely raceable when the GP took place, I certainly wouldn't say that Indian was 100% complete before it was raced upon!

Yes, theoretically that's correct but there are logistical considerations that do not exist on purpose built circuits, like managing traffic flow during construction, maybe they can only work certain hours on public roads and maybe even the painfully slow construction workers in the US, here in Wichita, it took two whole years to complete 1/2 mile of three lane highway!

What you guys are missing is the fact that it's NY, well NJ but same thing there really. Construction delays, local politicians out for a cut, local unions out for a cut, local mob out for a cut, local police out for a cut, negotiations taking place to appease them all, and stay on time and on budget to meet the contracts.

Look at how long it's taken to rebuild the Freedom Tower where the World Trade Center once stood, and you'll get a sense of how construction moves in the NY/NJ metro area.

[myownalias]

I did predict this might happen, the lead time to complete these circuits, street or dedicated is far too short, 18 months to build a whole track to F1 standards if extremely short, there has been a number of recent additions that were barely raceable when the GP took place, I certainly wouldn't say that Indian was 100% complete before it was raced upon!

Yes, theoretically that's correct but there are logistical considerations that do not exist on purpose built circuits, like managing traffic flow during construction, maybe they can only work certain hours on public roads and maybe even the painfully slow construction workers in the US, here in Wichita, it took two whole years to complete 1/2 mile of three lane highway!

What you guys are missing is the fact that it's NY, well NJ but same thing there really. Construction delays, local politicians out for a cut, local unions out for a cut, local mob out for a cut, local police out for a cut, negotiations taking place to appease them all, and stay on time and on budget to meet the contracts.

Look at how long it's taken to rebuild the Freedom Tower where the World Trade Center once stood, and you'll get a sense of how construction moves in the NY/NJ metro area.

Exactly, my point, these issues don't exist with a built for purpose track!

And how embarrassing that I managed to quote myself instead of bud...

[bud]

Ire a race track get built in my city every year, the build the pit area and all as its a temporary structure too. Street circuits aren't a hard thing to do!

[myownalias]

Ire a race track get built in my city every year, the build the pit area and all as its a temporary structure too. Street circuits aren't a hard thing to do!

Maybe is Australia there is less red tape and bullsh*t bureaucracy? And are these races you talk of regular events where everything is prepared in advance? I'm sure that the second running of the NJ GP will run much smoother as they've already had a run through and know what needs to be done to create the road circuit, there is a hell of a lot of logistical nightmares in NJ!

[bud]

Well it's the same track used for the GP when it was here, so they know how to set it up. But there's still bs getting in the way. The government wanted to build a permanent pit area but the local council full of old folk who don't like change didn't allow this to pass. So the structure is erected every year and it's a pretty big one too!
Guess there's stupid people everywhere in the world