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[andrew]

I was replying as a whole, I quoted you with the reply in paragraph under it.

Fair doos chief.

[bud]

Be good to see a diagram of what you're on about because you're not making sense, I've clearly showed his moves in photos and description,
there is only two moves...

1.One to the left after the corner, this was an aggressive move which you're probably upset most about but he is allowed to make this move as its near to the racing line

2. then back to the right which takes him offline, he keeps that line to the corner.

the race stewards saw the same things as you and agree with me... Now they don't always get it right but they certainly did here.

I was replying as a whole, I quoted you with the reply in paragraph under it.

Fair doos chief.

[LewEngBridewell]

Can't believe this about Lewis Hamilton moving more than is allowed remains active. Apologies if it's already been covered, but I can't be bothered to read through all the comments since I last logged on.

If one is knowledgeable about F1, and also about the Sepang circuit, then you will realise that Lewis' first "move" was not a block. It was sticking to the racing line. All cars move left (right on the picture) to be in good position for Turn 1.

Lewis THEN moved right (left on the screen) to block Seb ONCE.

Upon the approach to the first turn, Lewis then merged back to take the correct line for the corner, when it was clear that Seb wasn't managing to attempt a pass.

How is this not clear for goodness sake?

[FerrariFan63]

Be good to see a diagram of what you're on about because you're not making sense, I've clearly showed his moves in photos and description,
there is only two moves...

1.One to the left after the corner, this was an aggressive move which you're probably upset most about but he is allowed to make this move as its near to the racing line

2. then back to the right which takes him offline, he keeps that line to the corner.

the race stewards saw the same things as you and agree with me... Now they don't always get it right but they certainly did here.

In your photos you take a limited amount of information, a few stills, and then put your own interpretation on it. The video evidence shows the entire sequence without breaks or gaps. There's no point in using limited and ambiguous evidence such as your stills when there is much more complete and unambiguous evidence such as the video.

I have no problem with the first move at all, because that move is completely allowed by the rules and it was in no way excessively aggressive. Vettel had plenty of space to choose another way past. It was the second move that is clearly against the rules because ... it's a second move.

Despite what people have said, the racing apart from that incident was mainly fair, though occasionally very tough. E.g. I have no problem with the Maldonardo pass on Alonso as while it was very tough, I see nothing unfair about it. Button was very effective and fair and proper in his passes. Vettel was if anything failing to defend properly, and conceded to Hamilton too early. Though I suspect that even if Vettel had held his line to the corner after his first move, that still wouldn't have kept him ahead.

[FerrariFan63]

Can't believe this about Lewis Hamilton moving more than is allowed remains active. Apologies if it's already been covered, but I can't be bothered to read through all the comments since I last logged on.

If one is knowledgeable about F1, and also about the Sepang circuit, then you will realise that Lewis' first "move" was not a block. It was sticking to the racing line. All cars move left (right on the picture) to be in good position for Turn 1.

Lewis THEN moved right (left on the screen) to block Seb ONCE.

Upon the approach to the first turn, Lewis then merged back to take the correct line for the corner, when it was clear that Seb wasn't managing to attempt a pass.

How is this not clear for goodness sake?

Have a look how other cars take that same straight. It's very clear what the racing line is, and Hamilton's moves were not following the racing line.

This thread remains active because despite the clear and unambiguous evidence, people still deny the undeniable.

[LewEngBridewell]

Well, I've said my bit, and I don't agree with you at all, so there's no point drawing it out any further. Yet another post-race thread that's going to go down a BORING, trivial, diagnostic route.

Good night.

[bud]

Actually the photos show key moments of his track position. I just find it funny how you are so vocal about this yet let far worse examples of defending slide.
That is my biggest annoyance with you on this but you are a typical Ferrari fan after all.

[LewEngBridewell]

To be so obstinate in a theory that is so PAINFULLY and so BORINGLY incorrect is such a waste of time.

[andrew]

Pick the one you like, the message is the same.

Peace out.

[f1ea]

I like the snail... hehehe

Anyways.... Hamilton MAYBE made an extra move. I mean he made 2 moves... and I think they specifically clarified after Schumacher's stuff that even the move back into racing line is a defensive block maneuver; so it seems obvious that a move into the racing line + a move to block (what lewis did) is quite similar if not the same as the prohibited block move + move to race line (what Schumacher did in Monza).

BUT Lewis had better pace anyway... even without the move, i think he would have prob still gotten the podium, so no need to go over this much. Webber raced super fairly. And gave quite the show. Webbahs got ballz.

[Hammer278]

Actually the photos show key moments of his track position. I just find it funny how you are so vocal about this yet let far worse examples of defending slide.
That is my biggest annoyance with you on this but you are a typical Ferrari fan after all.

Absolutely, and out 3 drivers who weaved trying to defend their position in China, Lewis is picked on as usual. You know what they say, the guy who's the biggest threat in everyone's minds will always make an appearance good or bad.

[bud]

I like the snail... hehehe

Anyways.... Hamilton MAYBE made an extra move. I mean he made 2 moves... and I think they specifically clarified after Schumacher's stuff that even the move back into racing line is a defensive block maneuver; so it seems obvious that a move into the racing line + a move to block (what lewis did) is quite similar if not the same as the prohibited block move + move to race line (what Schumacher did in Monza).

BUT Lewis had better pace anyway... even without the move, i think he would have prob still gotten the podium, so no need to go over this much. Webber raced super fairly. And gave quite the show. Webbahs got ballz.

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Lewis did not block, a block constitutes a car behind making a passing move while the car in front moves across in front of him.

Lewis moved across to break the Tow, this is not a block. Seb followed him, he made no overtake attempt, it would have been pointless on such a long straight to make a pass there, thus the front camera view distorting things. Where Lewis moved is not a passing area, passes are usually made into braking zones.

What you're describing happened just a couple corners before! Seb moved to block Lewis then moved back onto the racing line.
This was far worse and technically against the rules.

Yet no outcry

We saw Perez nearly drive his team mate off track.

Yet no outcry

Among others, pathetic!

[racechick]

I think Coulthard was out of order when he commented on Lewis in the race He singled him out and incorrectly commented on the situation. He's done this before and then changed his mind when he's had the full facts before him(good on him for admitting his error in those cases) But commentators should be very careful about suggesting drivers are infinging the rules during a rcae, they could influence decisions. After the race, when they are in full possession of all the facts, replays etc, thats a different thing. Fortunately on this occassion the stewards saw the incident more clearly and didnt even see fit to question it.
I must say so far stewarding has been better this year, not because of that incident, but because over the three races there have not been the silly decisions that hamper racing. Lets hope that continues. A bit of common sense.

[McLaren]

I think Coulthard was out of order when he commented on Lewis in the race He singled him out and incorrectly commented on the situation. He's done this before and then changed his mind when he's had the full facts before him(good on him for admitting his error in those cases) But commentators should be very careful about suggesting drivers are infinging the rules during a rcae, they could influence decisions. After the race, when they are in full possession of all the facts, replays etc, thats a different thing. Fortunately on this occassion the stewards saw the incident more clearly and didnt even see fit to question it.
I must say so far stewarding has been better this year, not because of that incident, but because over the three races there have not been the silly decisions that hamper racing. Lets hope that continues. A bit of common sense.

Isn't he still employed by the drinks company?.Either way he still loves them.He never has liked Lewis ,probably on the grounds Lewis done more in his first season than DC did in over 245 races .He's bitter

[racechick]

I think Coulthard was out of order when he commented on Lewis in the race He singled him out and incorrectly commented on the situation. He's done this before and then changed his mind when he's had the full facts before him(good on him for admitting his error in those cases) But commentators should be very careful about suggesting drivers are infinging the rules during a rcae, they could influence decisions. After the race, when they are in full possession of all the facts, replays etc, thats a different thing. Fortunately on this occassion the stewards saw the incident more clearly and didnt even see fit to question it.
I must say so far stewarding has been better this year, not because of that incident, but because over the three races there have not been the silly decisions that hamper racing. Lets hope that continues. A bit of common sense.

Isn't he still employed by the drinks company?.Either way he still loves them.He never has liked Lewis ,probably on the grounds Lewis done more in his first season than DC did in over 245 races .He's bitter

I know he's always had a down on Lewis, I hoped he'd got over it.