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[LewEngBridewell]

Yeah, there was no admission of guilt from Karthikeyen. He was basically saying he was compromised in terms of space. He HAD to come off that kerb or he could've spun the car.

If Vettel had had the courtesy to give the poor guy a bit more space, while barging his moody way past, then it would've all been avoided.

You know, I got tired of seeing Lewis Hamilton's mood swings after poor races last year. When you consider that Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel both throw their little toys out of the pram when they can't deal with slower cars (Abu Dhabi '10 & Sepang '12 respectively), it seems we have a right little group of babies at the front! Talk about kindergarten.....

[calvins48]

I'm a little late to the party on this one, but HRT and Karthikeyan were not at fault in either collision...

So why has Karthikeyan admitted that it was his mistake whith Vettel?

When did he say that? Wasn't he annoyed that Vettel cut in front of him in the BBC interview?

He said that he got on the white line, got a bit of wheel spin so moved right to get more grip and found Vettel trying to pass.

"Then there was the incident with Vettel. I was letting everyone through on blue flags because I was being told on the radio. I got on the white line, which was still damp, and I was on slicks obviously so I had a lot of wheelspin. I then had to come back on the track from the kerb, and he was there unfortunately and I could not do anything."

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I don't then he was exactly saying it was all his own doing. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[calvins48]

Monaco is going to be vewy vewy intewesting.

If it rains.

If not, I predict it'll be a standard Monaco where whoever's on the front will win it - so likely a McLaren.

[calvins48]

2) If your tyre is disintegrating in such a style, please get off the racing line - driving down the center of the track, and disgarding disintegrated tyres all over the place - which caused both Alonso and Perez to take evasive maneuvers on the following laps, and could of ruined their race.

Wouldn't be surprised if he did that on purpose.

Although, in that situation, it's hard to think straight.

[Jabberwocky]

Look at Massa in the championship compared to the 3 newer teams

[yamashek]

I'm a little late to the party on this one, but HRT and Karthikeyan were not at fault in either collision, JB messed up his braking and clattered into Karthikeyan and Vettel chopped across the front of the HRT before being sufficiently ahead, just like he did in Turkey 2010 with his team mate. Slower cars have always been part and parcel of F1, the drivers in the top cars should be able to deal with it, Jenson acknowledged that, he made the mistake, didn't account for track conditions and misjudged his approach to the corner suffering the consequences.

I'm afraid you might need to look through a few more threads, the facts don't support what you are saying in regards to Vettel's accident.

You can't expect top drivers to deal with lapped cars that don't know where their front wings are and slashing the leaders' tyres.

Actually no driver knows exactly where his front wing is as they can't see it from the cockpit. I'm not listening to what others are saying, my view comes from seeing the replays, Vettel definitely moved across the nose of Karthikeyan before he was fully past the HRT, you could even argue (as Karthikeyan mentioned) that Vettel was trying to force him off the track!

My mind is blown.

Vettel, certainly, has the right to move to the racing line. The lapped car undoubtedly has the duty to let the leaders through safely, of course, within reason. From the replays, Vettel didn't cut NK off. NK and Vettel both converged to the racing line, and NK failure in judgement caused his front wing to slash Vettel's tyre- hence the penalty from the stewards. Simple as that. It's failure of judgement from NK.

On the other hand, do you all have no understanding how annoying it is to have a lapped car loitering on the racing line when you are trying to catch the car in front of you? You entry/exit speed is compromised, your rhythm is disturbed, and you have a momentary lapse in attention. Yes, like the commentator have said they are the best drivers in the world should be able to drive around those lapped cars, but seriously? Lapped cars should have the courtesy to leave the racing line open for the lead cars. Don't want to move out? Then don't get lapped. I am sure the drivers won't bully NK out of no where, they probably have been blocked enough times during qualifying or the race that enraged them to "bully" NK off the road. Being 7 seconds off the pace after 3 years (even Caterham have made progress), they hardly won respect relatively from the rest of the paddock. All those factors contributed to why NK thinks others are "bullying" him off the track. Don't want to get bullied? Stop ruining people's qualifying and race.

[andrew]

I'm a little late to the party on this one, but HRT and Karthikeyan were not at fault in either collision, JB messed up his braking and clattered into Karthikeyan and Vettel chopped across the front of the HRT before being sufficiently ahead, just like he did in Turkey 2010 with his team mate. Slower cars have always been part and parcel of F1, the drivers in the top cars should be able to deal with it, Jenson acknowledged that, he made the mistake, didn't account for track conditions and misjudged his approach to the corner suffering the consequences.

I'm afraid you might need to look through a few more threads, the facts don't support what you are saying in regards to Vettel's accident.

You can't expect top drivers to deal with lapped cars that don't know where their front wings are and slashing the leaders' tyres.

Actually no driver knows exactly where his front wing is as they can't see it from the cockpit. I'm not listening to what others are saying, my view comes from seeing the replays, Vettel definitely moved across the nose of Karthikeyan before he was fully past the HRT, you could even argue (as Karthikeyan mentioned) that Vettel was trying to force him off the track!

My mind is blown.

Vettel, certainly, has the right to move to the racing line. The lapped car undoubtedly has the duty to let the leaders through safely, of course, within reason. From the replays, Vettel didn't cut NK off. NK and Vettel both converged to the racing line, and NK failure in judgement caused his front wing to slash Vettel's tyre- hence the penalty from the stewards. Simple as that. It's failure of judgement from NK.

On the other hand, do you all have no understanding how annoying it is to have a lapped car loitering on the racing line when you are trying to catch the car in front of you? You entry/exit speed is compromised, your rhythm is disturbed, and you have a momentary lapse in attention. Yes, like the commentator have said they are the best drivers in the world should be able to drive around those lapped cars, but seriously? Lapped cars should have the courtesy to leave the racing line open for the lead cars. Don't want to move out? Then don't get lapped. I am sure the drivers won't bully NK out of no where, they probably have been blocked enough time during qualifying or the race that enraged them to "bully" NK off the road. Being 7 seconds off the pace after 3 years (even Caterham have made progress), they hardly won any respect from the rest of the paddock. All those factors contributed to why NK thinks others are "bullying" him off the track. Don't want to get bullied? Stop ruining people's qualifying and race.

You ever feel like you're fighting a loosing battle? I agree with what you're saying but life's too short to argue the toss with someone who isn't going to budge.

My opinion is clear on this incident and no amount of arguing is going to make me change my view.

[yamashek]

I'm a little late to the party on this one, but HRT and Karthikeyan were not at fault in either collision, JB messed up his braking and clattered into Karthikeyan and Vettel chopped across the front of the HRT before being sufficiently ahead, just like he did in Turkey 2010 with his team mate. Slower cars have always been part and parcel of F1, the drivers in the top cars should be able to deal with it, Jenson acknowledged that, he made the mistake, didn't account for track conditions and misjudged his approach to the corner suffering the consequences.

I'm afraid you might need to look through a few more threads, the facts don't support what you are saying in regards to Vettel's accident.

You can't expect top drivers to deal with lapped cars that don't know where their front wings are and slashing the leaders' tyres.

Actually no driver knows exactly where his front wing is as they can't see it from the cockpit. I'm not listening to what others are saying, my view comes from seeing the replays, Vettel definitely moved across the nose of Karthikeyan before he was fully past the HRT, you could even argue (as Karthikeyan mentioned) that Vettel was trying to force him off the track!

My mind is blown.

Vettel, certainly, has the right to move to the racing line. The lapped car undoubtedly has the duty to let the leaders through safely, of course, within reason. From the replays, Vettel didn't cut NK off. NK and Vettel both converged to the racing line, and NK failure in judgement caused his front wing to slash Vettel's tyre- hence the penalty from the stewards. Simple as that. It's failure of judgement from NK.

On the other hand, do you all have no understanding how annoying it is to have a lapped car loitering on the racing line when you are trying to catch the car in front of you? You entry/exit speed is compromised, your rhythm is disturbed, and you have a momentary lapse in attention. Yes, like the commentator have said they are the best drivers in the world should be able to drive around those lapped cars, but seriously? Lapped cars should have the courtesy to leave the racing line open for the lead cars. Don't want to move out? Then don't get lapped. I am sure the drivers won't bully NK out of no where, they probably have been blocked enough time during qualifying or the race that enraged them to "bully" NK off the road. Being 7 seconds off the pace after 3 years (even Caterham have made progress), they hardly won respect relatively from the rest of the paddock. All those factors contributed to why NK thinks others are "bullying" him off the track. Don't want to get bullied? Stop ruining people's qualifying and race.

You ever feel like you're fighting a loosing battle? I agree with what you're saying but life's too short to argue the toss with someone who isn't going to budge.

My opinion is clear on this incident and no amount of arguing is going to make me change my view.

i don't think it is a loosing battle though, we have a lot of bright people on this forum and will for sure see the logic and sense to determine what was the situation.

[andrew]

I envy your optimisim.

[myownalias]

I can see the logic of your argument yamashek, I just don't agree, let's agree to disagree, for once I agree with Andrew, life is too short, it's words on the internet forum afterall!

We've expressed our opinion, time to move on...

[andrew]

Why do we write the "for once" bit? I do it myself but I've always found it a bit daft to make a big deal about agreeing with someone. Just seems a bit superfluous.

Why do I notice meaningless things like this? That in itself is pretty superfluous.

[geetface9]

This thread kicked @$$ !!

Just chiming in my $0.02 ...NR's fault all the way in my book. And that's coming from a webber fan Let's not forget turkey 2010 and spa 2010 though...vettel proved quite adept at running into other people and thinking it was not his fault

[yamashek]

This thread kicked @$$ !!

Just chiming in my $0.02 ...NR's fault all the way in my book. And that's coming from a webber fan Let's not forget turkey 2010 and spa 2010 though...vettel proved quite adept at running into other people and thinking it was not his fault

Nico Rosberg?!

[LewEngBridewell]

This thread kicked @$$ !!

Just chiming in my $0.02 ...NR's fault all the way in my book. And that's coming from a webber fan Let's not forget turkey 2010 and spa 2010 though...vettel proved quite adept at running into other people and thinking it was not his fault

Nico Rosberg?!

Yeah. Just blame everything on him. The thread might calm down then.

[geetface9]

This thread kicked @$$ !!

Just chiming in my $0.02 ...NR's fault all the way in my book. And that's coming from a webber fan Let's not forget turkey 2010 and spa 2010 though...vettel proved quite adept at running into other people and thinking it was not his fault

Nico Rosberg?!

Nope, I meant LEWIS HAMILTON!! Everything's his fault I'm j/k, I meant NK for karthikeyan...I'm running on 1.5 hours of sleep out of the last 36... my bad